3 most frustrating bottlenecks while doinga mix

CDM wrote on 3/7/2012, 9:50 AM

I am reminded on this sound mix of the most frustrating bottlenecks in Vegas:

1) No “sections” behavior. You REALLY need to improve the way envelopes behave when you move stuff around in Vegas. In Acid, when you introduced SECTIONS, it meant you could take whatever you wanted and move it wherever you wanted without it creating all sorts of crazy envelope ramps from one place to another, destroying other areas of your mix. This needs to somehow be translated to work on the clip level so you can take something, copy it and paste it so it has the same envelope settings around it that the original had.
2) No Mono. God, this is awful. You NEED to have a mono button SOMEWHERE. I have to go through the most ridiculous steps to just make a stereo effect mono. I have to pan the track 50% left, then bus it, then pan the bus 50% right. There should either be a bus you can send stuff to that will downmix to mono, or a mono button on a track or event.
3) Event render – you need to give the user the ability to render the event effects in place as a new take. Large projects get way too bogged down with event FX.

thanks for listening.

Comments

Arthur.S wrote on 3/7/2012, 10:18 AM

Not quite sure who your addressing this at - this is a user forum. But..how about 'lock envelopes to event? Does that do what you want it to? And there are lots of free scripts which you can drop on the tool bar as a button to 'split stereo to mono'. Not quite sure what you mean with 3. You can switch FX on/off. Is that what you want there?

vtxrocketeer wrote on 3/7/2012, 10:20 AM

CDM, you might toss these into SCS's suggestion box.

You can already do 3, if I understand you correctly. Right click on an audio event, select non-real time effect, choose whatever effect you want, tweak to taste, and hit OK. Vegas will render a Take 2 using whatever audio format you choose and drop that into the place of the original event ("take one"). Easy as pie.

Steve

CDM wrote on 3/7/2012, 10:28 AM

oh believe me, I've suggested these many times, but it is helpful to have people chime in on feature requests so they can see how much interest there is.

#3 is about event effects, not non-realtime. When working on a big sound mix, you're going to have a lot of events with plugins... the session will begin to get slow and stuttery. There should be an option to "cook" the effecst into a new take. Essentially doing a non-realtime effect bounce for what's already in the event effects.

As for Mono/stereo, this is about how the audio is handled in the busses, not the events. Even if you make an event mono, the track is stereo. All effects placed on a track, event, or bus is treated as stereo. so there is no way to create a mono effect without a mono version of the plugin. The only other way is the method I described.

and as for envelopes, often the envelope point isn't on the evnt, but outside of it. In Acid, it performs magic when you move stuff around, creating new points where it needs to to not mess up existing automation.

Former user wrote on 3/7/2012, 1:36 PM

Good news CDM: Vegas does have a mono function, just not a button on the mixer.

To make audio mono (whether you want to use just the left, just the right, or combine both), do this:

1. right click an audio track
2. Mouse-over CHANNELS
3. select the audio mode you want

BOTH - Stereo
LEFT ONLY - Mono left channel
RIGHT ONLY - Mono right channel
COMBINE - sum left and right (I suspect this is 50% mix of each channel)
SWAP - make left right and right left.

Voila!

CDM wrote on 3/7/2012, 1:58 PM

thanks, but you're not understanding what I mean. Even if you only have mono events in a track, Vegas is STEREO all the time. All the busses are stereo. There used to be a downmix button back in the day (Vegas 2?) that would downmix to mono, but if you have a mono event and add reverb to it in the event FX or on a Bus or Track, that reverb will come out stereo. I want the option to downmix the FX to mono, or just have it BE mono.

Former user wrote on 3/7/2012, 2:37 PM

Vegas started out as an audio software solution, but I think it has become outdated for anything other than basic audio functions. (I know someone else might disagree). My suggestion is find an audio solution. No one tool can do everything well, and there are a few low cost audio mixing products that offer the options you are looking for.

Dave T2

farss wrote on 3/7/2012, 2:52 PM

Agree 1) is a major PIA, I dread moving things around on the T/L because of this.
2), Never been much of an issue for me, maybe Stero Tools would help you work around the limitation.
3) Agree. With lots of tracks and zillions of audio events things get bogged down

Bob.

Geoff_Wood wrote on 3/7/2012, 3:51 PM

"#3 is about event effects, not non-realtime. When working on a big sound mix, you're going to have a lot of events with plugins... the session will begin to get slow and stuttery. There should be an option to "cook" the effecst into a new take. Essentially doing a non-realtime effect bounce for what's already in the event effects."

You can , to a whole track (Tools | Render to new track).

But to do this to just an event on a track, you need to isolate that event to a vacant track, Render it, then slot it back into the original track. A little fiddly.

Yes, and 'Render Event In Place' ( To New Take ?) would be handy. This would also need to remove the Event FX for that new take, which is kind of changing the whole paradigm....

geoff