Actually it is both. The app creates a plug-in interface in Vegas but you get more control if it's used stand alone.

> Is Rx and Ozone part of Ultimate S as well. Thanks

RX/RX2 is an audio noise reduction program and plug-in that can DeClip, DeCrackle, DeNoise, and preform Spectral Repair on audio like you've never seen before. It actually visualizes the audio and you can erase pars of the audio spectrum that you don't want while retaining others. I call it voodoo because when someone would say, "can I erase a dog bark during an interview without affecting the voices?" we would say, "no, that's like trying to take the eggs out of a cake once it's baked!"... but with RX, you actually can remove the dog barking and leave the person speaking!!! Like I said, it's voodoo.

Ozone is an audio mastering pluging for finishing your audio and you are correct that Ultimate S Pro ships with a special version of Ozone technology which includes three of the modules in Ozone 3 that is only accessible as presets from within Ultimate S Pro. This in no way gives you the power of the full Ozone 4 product which includes a Paragraphics EQ, Mastering Reverb, Loudness Maximizer, Multiband Harmonic Exciter, Multiband Dynamics, and Multiband Stereo Imaging. If you haven't tried Ozone 4 on your mixes you are in for a treat. It really adds a shine and polish to dull audio recorded in the field. I use it on almost all of my projects and it comes will a lot of presets for different situations so if you don't know what any of that stuff means, but you do know that you need to make the vocals sizzle, or the drums kick... there's a preset for that. ;-)

Sorry if this sounds like an advertisement but I really like iZotope's products. IMHO, they are worth the price if you do this as a business.

~jr

Hi,

I have tested Izotope under SVP10 and sent my tests to Izotope support, they confirmed.

Under SVP10 we have problem with working as non_real_time effect (spectral repair is designed to work like this). Effect is, that you can't capture sound to spectral repair editor. Izotope support will take it under scrutiny.

You can use Izotope RX2 as event audio fx (new feature) and it captures sound properly. But in this mode there is real problem with navigation in editor TL (editor as a plugin doesn't have his own TL navigation, and there is no synchro between Vegas TL and editor TL).

Good news : all parts of Izotope RX2 (VSTs and DirectXs) are capable to recognize Vegas as a host properly. Remember to show Vegas that has to scan also secondary VST folder, which is dedicated for 64bit plugins.

Izotope support suggested me to use temporary standalone version, unfortunatelly can't use this workaround - standalone can't read AVCHD, all my cameras are in this format.

I regret, but have to postpone purchasing.

Best regards,

I got the update price.

It is voodoo. Just watch the video showing how it fills in a gap of a soprano's voice. Amazing.

Grazie

The simple fix is to render your AHCHD audio to a .wav file and work on that in Rx.
Delaying your purchase will needlessly cost you money.

Rx is a destructive non realtime editor. Even though it sort of works as VST plugins inside Vegas I always create a new .wav file and work on that in Rx.

Bob.

I have izo come back as a Take2? Isn't that nondestructive?

Grazie

I bought it as soon as I saw the discounted price. That an the exchange rate made it a no brainer and I have a movie in serious need of its magic.

It's interesting to compare what happens when you ask Rx to cut anything over say 10Khz and ask any of the Eq tools ib Vegas or SF to do the same.

Spectrum analysis of the Rx output shows a cliff at 10KHz, anything else shows a rolloff that never goes to -infinity. Rx uses very HiQ non linear phase filters. These are very handy but can create horrid artifacts. I've found you need to carefully listen to the outcome and decide if its better to leave an offending sound or remove it.

Aside from that though the Declipper is pure magic. Whatever it does it is always better than not using it, worth the price of admission just for that.

Bob.

Hi Bob,

Yes I know, maybe another promotion (Christmas?)... I have tested Izotope RX2 and I'm impressed with spectral editor (no dogs, no phone calls, car signals, easy like notepad).

I believe Izotope will solve problem.

Now I don't have task dedicated for Izotpe and prefere to spend money on BCC7. I'm waiting impatiently on webinar with Boris. I would like to know something about new compositing modes. BCC7 has pixel tracking and SloMo. And some effects (for example PRISM) are beautifull. I'm not quite sure, that BCC7 is stabile in Vegas, had some problems (for example Optical Flow in other topic). Suppose 10b is comming, also expect update for entire line from NewBlueFX.

Best regards,

That is the definition of destructive.
You kept made a copy of the original and destroyed the copy.
If we thought of it the way you're suggesting then the distinction between a destructive and non destructive editor becomes moot. We can always make a copy and mash that. With a non destructive editor such as Vegas there's no need. With a destructive editor such as SF or Rx you'd mostly want to make a copy.

Bob

I wouldn't be too certain about ever seeing Rx at a discount again. In all the years its been around the first time I've seen them make such an offer.
Obviously I cannot say it will not happen but going on past experience...

I don't know why but I rarely see specials on audio tools unlike video tools.
Actually I might know why. Ask a video guy "How'd you do that?" and he'll bend your ears for hours. Ask an audio guy the same question and you get a very stern look and either silence or a gruff "Magic".

Bob.

Hi,

You are right. IMHO audio has stucked a little bit because relatively small percentage of people can perform on such level, that would like to express themself via audio. This is the reason that devices or soft with Fourier analysis included, are rare. Tools like this are perceived as very specialized - actually are very elemental, but restricted for narrow group of specialist. Now video will be a locomotive for audio.

Best regards,

So you can use RX2 as a stand alone or a plug in for Vegas right? What about Soundforge?

Does RX2 replace some of the tools that come with SoundForge (ie denoise and click/crackle remover, EQs etc).

kairosmatt

No doubt about it, iZotope is a great program, But, as I have mentioned on this forum before, a more economical alternative you might want to investigate is DC8. I have been using this since 1996 and all the subsequent versions and it is absolutely amazing...including the "voodoo" things such as Direct Spectral Editing to remove things like an individual cough or improve the articulation of a single word. You can read about it and all the features at

http://www.diamondcut.com/store/index.php

This program is used by top investigative agencies to recover audio buried in noise and many sound recovery services.

I've looked at DC a couple of time over the years but was rather put off by their website. They do seem to have got that sorted to some extent, at least one link back to their own site returns a 404 error.

Still you are correct, Rx is not the only game in town, there's also Soundsoap which has been recommended to me by the hardcore audio guys and it does have some features that Rx does not. I guess if I was a hard core audio core charging real money for my time I'd have all of them.

Bob.

"So you can use RX2 as a stand alone or a plug in for Vegas right? What about Soundforge?"
Both Vegas and SF can use the Rx plugins if you wanted to go down that path.

"Does RX2 replace some of the tools that come with SoundForge (ie denoise and click/crackle remover, EQs etc)."

Pretty much yes however its primary focus is audio restoration and repair.

Bob.

> Izotope support suggested me to use temporary standalone version, unfortunatelly can't use this workaround - standalone can't read AVCHD, all my cameras are in this format.

I know others have said this already but it can't be stressed enough... you NEVER want to edit the original audio and in Vegas you don't have to. Just set up RX as the audio editor for Vegas and you can "Edit a copy in RX' and all you do is right-click and select it and Vegas does the copying and loading into RX. I believe this is what Grazie as eluding to. (note to Sony... we need to be able to open in more than one editor like ACID can)

The way I use RX is primarily through Sound Forge. I just right-click and open copy in Sound Forge and then I apply RX in Sounds Forge along with normalization and other clean ups that have to be performed. It comes back to Vegas as a take and I keep on editing. This makes final renders quicker too because all the audio is already rendered and ready to go.

~jr

Maybe someone can help me out here with the only grip I have with Rx. I cannot get the playhead to behave as it does in Vegas i.e. Play / Pause.

This to me is a major PIA. I play through a piece of audio listening for something that needs some work and then I hit the spacebar and POOF, I'm back to where I started playing from and lost where I was.

Bob.

Agreed. A real pain.

The space bar is modal. It's possible to hit ctrl-R and space to act like the Vegas enter key. Of course then your stuck with space acting like pause.

Not all that good.

Larry

I've asked for the same change in playback shortcuts, both in person at NAB and via email feedback. I guess Izotope has other priorities. But I still love Rx.

"Rx uses very HiQ non linear phase filters"

You can always do non real time linear phase filtering with a non linear phase filter by time reversing the filtered output and passing it through the filter again. The attenuation in the cut off regions will be double of course, so you might want to use half the desired cut off rate in each pass.

Note also that filtering will produce a "tail" so that the filtered output will be longer than the input. This tail needs to be present when you do the second pass, which will produce another tail that ends up at the head once you have reversed it again. The head and tail can then be chopped off so that the result is the same length as the original and in sync with it.

Bob?

[i]You kept made a copy of the original and destroyed the copy.[/I]

No, that's not what happens. I keep the Original AND also the Take. Destructive by me means the original gets destroyed. That's not what happens here when I right click.

I don't understand the point you are making? Explain please.

Grazie

As to the Transport options, I agree. When I first bought Rx1 my first email to support was to find out just how I could scrub using the same controls I've learnt in Vegas. I got a polite reply, and an acknowledgment for my observation. And so far that's been that.

I've tried to cross-populate the IzoRx2 Transport commands into my Contour device. Yeah, right. . . .

Grazie