.m2t or m2ts?

My error, m2ts.

Mike

Can you upload a small file? We're happy to check if it works elsewhere.

OK, thanks. What type of file do you mean?

Mike

The rendered .m2ts in the stream folder.

You can also try Mediainfo to see if it recognizes the file.

Another option is to try to use multiAVCHD (free download) to see if the file is OK, but the folder system is not. It can actually fix that in some cases.

Thanks for the steer, Mark. I'll investigate further. Do you believe that VMS10 and/or DVDAS 5 can produce playable HD DVDs?

Mike

BluRay or HD DVD? These are different standards.

Sorry, I meant HD on DVD, i.e. a standard 4.7 GB DVD with AVCHD content. I can do this OK on other software and VMS allow me to create discs, but they don't play.

TOG62, a question for you. In your first post in this thread, you wrote:

According to the spec it does this, re: Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10's ability to burn AVCHD DVDs.

Where did you see that spec? Please provide a link to it, because I can't find anything that claims version 10 can do it. Certainly, no version 9 spec ever claimed that version could do it. I think the ability to make AVCHD DVDs is a big deal, but just a simple extension of the ability to make Blu-ray discs. I can't understand why it shouldn't be part of version 10's capabilities, especially given that Sony co-created the AVCHD specification with Panasonic.

The specification says: "Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum software has everything you need to produce movies in spectacular high definition and burn to DVD or Blu-ray Disc". The statement is here:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiope/techspec.

This is a little ambiguous, but I took it to mean that 'spectacular high definition' could be burnt to either type of disc.

Thanks. I agree, Sony's claim is pretty ambiguous -- kind of lets you believe what ever you want it to believe.

The manufacturers have allowed a lot of confusion to surround the whole AVCHD issue, so the approach I've been taking is that unless they explicitly say that they support AVCHD DVDs, then I assume they don't. I don't think Sony is lying in their claim, though. I'm sure you can burn high definition video files onto DVD disks, as data files. But that capability has always existed. AVCHD DVDs, on the other hand, require a very specific structure and format; there's nothing generic about them. In my experience, unless it explicitly says AVCHD DVD, then it isn't.

Hi - the help file from DVD Arch Studio 5 says the following -

From the File menu, choose Properties.

Click the Properties tab. The tab displays Disc Properties.

Adjust the settings as needed:


Disc format
Choose a setting from the drop-down list to indicate whether you want to create a Blu-ray Disc project or a DVD project.

Target media size
Choose a setting from the drop-down list to specify the capacity of your disc media. This setting will be used to calculate how much space is available on the disc.

If you want to burn a Blu-ray Disc project to DVD media, choose 8.50 or 4.70.

You can also change this setting by right-clicking the free space display in the bottom-right corner of the DVD Architect Studio window and choosing a command from the shortcut menu.

This seems to suggest that AVCHD DVD's can be made.

Thanks for the info.

But the Blu-ray disc format, on DVD media, isn't the same as the AVCHD DVD format. They're similar, but distinctly different. Both are separately licensed standards. As I wrote, unless something explicitly states AVCHD DVD, I assume that it is not.

Thanks David. So what will Blue Ray disc on DVD media do. I assume it shoudl play on some DVD players and deliver HD quality (rather than DVD quality) footage? Shoudl it play in my DVD player on my PC? Does it depend on the player?

Thanks

My experience so far suggests it will play on nothing at all.

Mike

I have been using 9 Platinum to make auto-play high definition AVCHD disks on conventional DVD media since the middle of April. In order to "author" an AVCHD disk with menus I have been using the new Nero Vision 10.

I have been looking forward to DVDAS 5.0 and it ought to make AVCHD disks as well - with full authoring capabilities. Burning from the timeline required specifying a Blu-ray disk, then select a Sony AVCHD 15 or 16 mb template. The AVCHD decoder is part of the Blu-ray spec although some bottom of the line players do not support it.

I don't think AVCHD DVDs can be made in 10. I have looked everywhere for the feature, when using DVD Arch Studio 5.0 it does not have an option to change the video type to AVCHD and says it will need to be compressed from the AVC file I used in the project.

Very annoying. I have another project for authoring those movies, but I was hoping to do it directly from Vegas.

Try the following free software to help straighten this out. multiAVCHD. It has worked great for me in a number of different scenarios. A bit complicated at first glance, but read through the tutorial.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/

Here is what it does -
* Re-Author Blu-ray discs
* Author AVCHD
* Author Blu-Ray
* Author SD_VIDEO for Panasonic MPEG-2 Viera/BDP
* Author HD DVD discs 3xDVD (HD-DVD on DVD-R media)
* Author SD DVD discs (Standard DVD discs for DVD players)
* transfer DVD backups without reencoding into Blu-ray or AVCHD format (DVD menu is not imported)

* watch Blu-ray Disc backups without reencoding (PS3) (just select your movie M2TS file
from the original BDMV\STREAM folder (the largest one) and use it with multiAVCHD (or import the whole BDMV folder in RE-AUTHOR mode);
multiAVCHD will split it in 4GB chunks, so you'll be able to transfer it to your external USB disk or USB flash drive.

You can re-author a HDMV authored blu-ray disc to be played in your Playstation 3 with an external USB HDD in few minutes. Just drag BDMV folder to multiAVCHD and select START - PLAYSTATION 3.
* You can also remove audio tracks and add your own (external) tracks to keep final size smaller or re-encode
existing HD audio tracks to much smaller (but quality) AC3 audio tracks. 20GB bluray disk movie takes about 10-20 minutes
to be transferred to an AVCHD compatible folder, playable in any BD (BluRay Disk Player) or Playstation 3.




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multiAVCHD can create output for:

* USB / MS (MemoryStick) / SD / SDHC equipped Blu-ray disc players (like Playstation 3)
* Blu-ray players employing Secure Digital High Capacity capabilities - SD/SDHC cards (like Panasonic Blu-ray players, Playstation 3, selected Panasonic Viera TV sets)
* Blu-ray players, compatible with AVCHD format (AVCHD written on DVD-R media) - most Blu-ray players
* Blu-ray players, compatible with AVCHD on BD-R disc - most Blu-ray players
* Direct BDMV format - Blu-ray Disc format - all Blu-ray players
* Re-authored BDMV - Blu-ray Disc format - all Blu-ray players
* HD-DVD players, compatible with DVD-R (3xDVD)
* SD-DVD players (all standard DVD players)

Keyan, thanks for letting us know. That's what I was afraid of.

KenJ62, the AVCHD DVD specification is licensed separately from the Blu-Ray specification. Unless a Blu-ray player displays the AVCHD logo (regardless of the player's price) you shouldn't expect it to play AVCHD DVDs.

JackWhite, recording the BluRay format onto a DVD will probably produce a DVD that will not play on much of anything. I believe that the BluRay specification specifically identifies BluRay formatted DVDs as out of spec, but I could be wrong about that. If so, then BluRay players should intentionally not play BluRay formatted DVDs. I think the issue is that BluRay requires a certain data transfer rate, and DVDs can't transfer data at that rate. That's what an AVCHD DVD is all about: it is essentially a lower bit rate version of the BluRay disc format, but there are several other differences besides just the data transfer rate that distinguish them. That's why they're not interchangeable. However, it might be that some software Blu-ray player computer programs might tolerate Blu-ray formatted DVDs.

It looks like programs like multiAVCHD will still be needed even with Vegas Movie Studio HD 10 Platinum. (multiAVCHD is a free program for authoring AVCHD DVDs; the program's author asks that users that like it consider donating whatever it is worth to them for using it.)

I started out trying to make AVCHD disks using multiAVCHD and found it to be a pain in the posterior. I'm a retired techie but found the pitfalls too much for even me. I did find out through the process that multiAVCHD can create an AVCHD disk at Blu-ray data rates which will definitely stutter. More experienced users say conventional DVDs will not support a data rate over about 18 Mb/s and the Vegas AVCHD templates for AVCHD never show higher than 16 Mb/s. Seems respectfully conservative.

The Blu-ray spec supports MPEG-2, MPEG-4/AVCHD and Microsoft VC-1. I don't know anything about VC-1 but I have been perusing local stores that sell Blu-ray players and have found that only those brands manufactured by Funai Electric do not have the AVCHD logo. Those include Sylvania, Magnavox, Emerson and one other that I can't remember right now. I have seen, eyes on, the Sylvania and Magnavox and the the current ones do not have any hint of AVCHD support on the unit, box or any literature I've seen. They are the only players under 100 dollars.

VMS 9 Platinum has 15 and 16 Mb/s AVCHD templates for burning high definition DVDs from the timeline and that has worked very well for me. Version 10 is in the mail and if the long-anticipated, market-busting DVDAS 5.0 doesn't support authoring AVCHD I will be rather upset. I would have to recommend Nero Vision 10 and that would be unfortunate - but it DOES work!

VMS 9 Platinum has 15 and 16 Mb/s AVCHD templates for burning high definition DVDs from the timeline and that has worked very well for me.
In VMS 10 I see an AVCHD project template but no AVCHD burning template. Please post back if you are able to find one. I do not have VMS 9, having upgraded from DVDA 4.5.

<< I started out trying to make AVCHD disks using multiAVCHD and found it to be a pain in the posterior. I'm a retired techie but found the pitfalls too much for even me.<<
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An alternative to using multiAVCHD is tsmuxer (http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html). It's free with the option of a donation. This program has been discussed in another context in the forum, but I don't recall seeing it mentioned in the context of making AVCHD discs that play on many/most Blu-ray players.

Like multiAVCHD, tsmuxer can create the proper AVCHD folder structure. It's very easy to use. Add the Sony AVC .m2ts file created by VMS, choose "AVCHD disk" as the output type, specify the output location on hard disk, and run it. Then burn the folders that it creates, using ImgBurn. That is the work flow I have been using and it works well. Of course it involves 2 extra steps that wouldn't be necessary if VMS could make the discs directly from the time line.

As others have pointed out elsewhere in the forum, when you run a VMS .m2ts output file through tsmuxer, it also corrects the stuttering and A/V sync problem that can occur starting about 2 minutes into the file. (Platinum 9 has that problem; not sure about v10 yet.) multiAVCHD may correct that problem too, but I am not sure - haven't tried it.