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Subject: ACID Pro 8
Posted by: Batucada
Date: 4/6/2010 7:38:27 PM

When can we expect the release of AP 8?

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: runman
Date: 4/7/2010 8:32:22 AM

Do you see this forum as the platform where Sony would reveal such information?


Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: brothership
Date: 4/8/2010 3:27:31 AM

I'm guessing it will be some time...prolly not for another year. Sony never announces a new version until it's almost ready to ship. If my memory serves me correctly, the gap between version 6 and 7 was at least two years.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Vocalpoint
Date: 4/8/2010 7:13:46 PM

There was about a two year gap between 6 and 7.

AP7 was released Oct 30, 2008 - so count on another few months anyway...

Cheers!

VP

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Geoff_Wood
Date: 4/8/2010 7:41:33 PM

I'm desperate for A10. That should be much louder than A8 or A9.

geoff

Message last edited on 4/8/2010 7:42:41 PM by Geoff_Wood.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Back Nine
Date: 4/8/2010 10:08:05 PM

Just wait until AP11. That will be the loudest.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: deusx
Date: 4/9/2010 1:31:54 AM

At least they'll finally be able to use "But, this one goes to 11" slogan and perhaps some Spinal Tap ads.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Rickms
Date: 4/10/2010 5:16:08 AM

I played this game on the last release. Sony will not tell and the wait for the next release will be much longer then the release cycle of any of their competitors. In that same period their competitors will continue to innovate and leave ACID behind. I've never been able to get ACID stable in all my years. I know others have. Folks here should take a look at Presonus Studio 1 and Reaper. Ableton Live has taking looping to the next level. Do not hold your breath for another release anytime soon.

Rick

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Iacobus
Date: 4/10/2010 12:30:05 PM

Rick said:

"I played this game on the last release. Sony will not tell and the wait for the next release will be much longer then the release cycle of any of their competitors. In that same period their competitors will continue to innovate and leave ACID behind. I've never been able to get ACID stable in all my years. I know others have. Folks here should take a look at Presonus Studio 1 and Reaper. Ableton Live has taking looping to the next level. Do not hold your breath for another release anytime soon."


lulz

The one thing I always stress is how ACID has evolved through the years. It's hard to even imagine that the first couple versions of ACID Pro had no MIDI support whatsoever (minus the MTC/clock support it always had). It was strictly digital audio for the most part. With that said, the guys at Sony Creative must be applauded for how the app has changed through the years not only for what it already did, but also for what it could presently do.

I must also stress: Ableton Live sucks. (That's my opinion; I'm entitled to it.) Those dudes from Germany need to take a class in streamlining an app so that I can actually get work done without having to look at an interface where I think unicorns farting bubble-gum-scented bubbles with rainbows trailing behind them are going to pop off my screen at any second. Seriously. Stop with the pretty. Maybe that works with the Mac crowd (not surprising since most of them are like, "Oh! Look! Shiny iPad! I have to buy it!") but not with me.

Iacobus

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Kappeesh
Date: 4/10/2010 4:00:19 PM

preech onn myy rychus brudda!!!!

Message last edited on 4/10/2010 4:19:40 PM by Kappeesh.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Batucada
Date: 4/10/2010 6:49:33 PM

lol, I was wrong regarding the loudeness, forgive me... :)

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: feign
Date: 4/12/2010 7:44:05 PM

Here we go again. Before AP7, this forum devolved into nothing but "Where's Acid Pro 7 already"?

I don't get it. What is the obsession with having something new, just for the sake of something new?? Maybe people should list the features they NEED (other than the number 8 to appear on the splash screen).

For me, AP7 has absolutely everything I need, and has no shortcomings. A new version will likely have some surprises that I like and am willing to upgrade for, but I am not desperate for a new version just for the sake of a new version.

It seems that the entire software industry has people hooked like Pavlovian dogs on the idea that they "need" something "new" every 12-18 months, or they get restless.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: brothership
Date: 4/13/2010 12:08:23 AM

Wow...he just asked a question.

Message last edited on 4/13/2010 12:08:38 AM by brothership.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: DKeenum
Date: 4/13/2010 8:58:22 AM

Those of us who have been around this forum for a while have seen it all. I think that's the source of the frustration. Since this is an Acid forum, we get a majority of posts from people who are having problems. I think it sometimes breeds negativity.

Acid Pro 7 is my main app - the only other music creation app I use is Reason. Acid is stable for me, and it does what I want it to do. None of that makes an interesting post!

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: kitekrazee
Date: 4/13/2010 9:18:10 AM

I also own Live 8. It's unique but they stopped working on future versions because of the problems in Live 8.

I would like to see Acid move more into a sequencer like Cubase or Sonar. I want quicker access to the piano roll.

I still like the GUI on all of the Sony products.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: raskiefilm
Date: 4/13/2010 2:15:40 PM

@ feign:

I agree. Welcome to Generation A.D.D.

Thus far, Acid 7 is kicking tail on my end. The updated manual really helped utilize what I wanted to attain for composing.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Geoff_Wood
Date: 4/13/2010 3:37:52 PM

Likewise - I love the no-nonsense GUI. Even Reaper is starting to get the 'pretties' .

Acid gets a mojor update every year or so. They never tell us exactly when. There is the facilty for feature suggestions here:
[LINK=http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/productsuggestion.asp],

.... and we can voice suggestions here to knock about. But don't demand SoSoFo to make any comments or commitments on those - they may indicate if a fix or feature is likely, but more often won't.

geoff

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Matthias King
Date: 4/13/2010 8:49:24 PM

I'm waiting for ACID Pro 8 mainly for 64bit. There are plenty of good features that could be introduced and I'm sure they will, but 64bit has pretty much arrived in the audio world, and It's time for all developers to start embracing it because it's going to be the standard rather than the exception soon.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Geoff_Wood
Date: 4/13/2010 8:57:29 PM

Well Vegas has a 64-bit version now. So what do you think - that unless there is no technical advantage whatsever, that the next Acid for some reason wouldn't ?

It won't need us all here bleating "64 64 64" to bring it about.....

geoff

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Matthias King
Date: 4/13/2010 11:06:24 PM

you're probably right, but I don't think it hurts to remind them, just in case they were thinking it wasn't important.

It's actually more important on ACID than Vegas for my particular situation because of heavy VSTi's.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: pwppch
Date: 4/14/2010 2:11:14 PM

It's actually more important on ACID than Vegas for my particular situation because of heavy VSTi's.

This would only help if the VSTi was also 64 bit. To date, there are not that many VSTis that have been ported over to 64 bit.

NOTE: Don't take my comment as an indication of our 64 bit ACID plans. I cannot comment on such things.

Peter

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: gunga
Date: 4/14/2010 6:27:26 PM

About Acid vs Live

I find the most attractive thing about Live is its stability...the worst is the GUI and the inability to create detachable, sizable widows for the mixer, browser, etc. The workspace is difficult.
I think it has excelled at creating a new kind of creative flow with the Session view and all the hardware interfaces that can work make it a strong performance contender.
I haven't figured it out, or found that I have use for that mode and have essentially abandoned it. for Acid, which I am pretty comfortable with.

My performance hardware is stuck in the 90's! I actually play and sing!

I would like Acid to be more stable and have a better MIDI editor, preferably within the current release. It's paid for!

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: drbam
Date: 4/14/2010 7:45:03 PM

VSTis being ported to 64bit isn't the issue. Heavy use of VSTis require more ram and 32bit is limited to less than 4 full gigs which can quickly become an issue if the one is using a lot of VSTis, especially some of the more recent offerings that assume the user has more than 4 gigs of ram. So yes, 64 bit is definitely needed if Acid is to be seriously considered as a professional sequencer in today's recording environment. If the user is mainly working with loops then of course that's another story all together.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Matthias King
Date: 4/14/2010 8:31:15 PM

It's mainly EWQL Play, which is indeed 64bit, and possibly Kontakt 4 in the near future, which is also 64bit.

Message last edited on 4/14/2010 8:32:13 PM by Matthias King.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: pwppch
Date: 4/14/2010 9:44:08 PM

ACID is seriously considered as a professional sequencer. There are many professionals that use it everyday, whether as their main tool, or as just part of their tool set. Many use loops, but many do not. They find it a great tool to get their work down, be creative, and earn a living.

I am not saying that what you want is bad, but your expectations on running 32 bit plug-ins for a 64 bit host is not as wonderful as it sounds. Yes, I know, other hosts have this for their 64 bit apps. I have look at their functionality, and they work, but they are not perfect.

Besides, we have the technology already. Vegas has a bit bridge to run 32 bit plugs. It would not make sense that a 64 bit version of any of our hosts would not provide the same functionality. They are all based on essentially the same audio engine.

I do think you over state the 'magic' of these bit bridges.

A 32 bit plug-in is a DLL. It is limited to the amount of memory it can used based on the host. A 32 bit DLL can only run in the process space of a 32 bit host. A 32 bit plug-in can only use the small address space of 32 bit windows because it is 32 bit. It cannot use more than 4 gigs, and in many cases it will have much less available. Even if it is running in a 64 bit host, it is actually 'bridged' to a 32 bit exe, which is limited by the amount of ram that it can use, not the 64 bit host.

Yes, we could spawn a seperated instance of the bridge for each and every plug-in. So, theoretically, you could load each plug-in you use in a seperate bridge. There will be limitations, but this could be done. There is overhead involved, so it would be a balance. There are some good things about this approach as well. You can configure mis behaving plug-ins to run in their own private sandbox so that if it dies, it does not have to kill the 64 bit host. (This would actually be nice even for pure 32 bit environment.)

In the end, each VSTi would be limited to no more than 4 gb, with the realistic amount being more in the 3 gb max.

Also, if say you use 4 VSTis that stream from disk. No memory is no longer the problem. It is hitting the disk. Even if you cache a large amount, if the synth is not good at mananging its own cache is a smart way, you will soon find that the disk thrashing because multiple synths are trying to hit the same drive will be as bad as it was if they were running in the same process space. Yes, harddrives are cheap, and it is reasonable to spread your sample libraries onto seperate drives or even on a high speed RAID configuration. Still, disk speeds will always be slower than memory, and remember, even if you had 2 tb of physical memory, it still has to be loaded from those really slow hard disks.

Again, I think bit bridges are great. The helped to keep things working - mostly - while the plug-in vendors catch up. Still, pure native is the right thing to do, and my nirvana at least. Regardless, we know that any 64 bit versions of our apps must provide this technology, even if 90% of the plug-ins out there were 64 bit.

Legacy is important.

Peter

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: raskiefilm
Date: 4/15/2010 10:42:38 AM

@ Peter

Great reply. Thank you for providing some insight into the sense of legacy. What are your initial thoughts of SSDs - how will they change the playing field for DAW? Are they even significant to consider?

Also, does Sony provide insight to the Professionals who are using Acid? I know you have listed a few but I'm really interested to see who is using Acid as a tool or just part of their tool set and more importantly, how they use it.

Thanks!

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: runman
Date: 4/15/2010 5:31:17 PM

"NOTE: Don't take my comment as an indication of our 64 bit ACID plans. I cannot comment on such things."

OMG...I think this is a dry joke, Peter has a sense of humour. I re-read it a few times, and I still think this was intended to make us smile. Peters not a clever bot, he's a human being :))

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Chienworks
Date: 4/15/2010 6:21:51 PM

"What are your initial thoughts of SSDs - how will they change the playing field for DAW?"

SSD? Solid State Drive? I don't know how this would make any difference at the DAW level at all. Other than how fast the data moves, ACID/Vegas/Forge don't care in the slightest if they're reading from a hard drive, SSD, optical drive, thumb drive, network drive, or a 5.25" floppy disk.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Geoff_Wood
Date: 4/15/2010 8:43:54 PM

Have SSDs come to the point that they can really be used as a regular read/write disk ? I thought the 'bits' still wear out too quickly when re-written often.

Great for , say, sample libraries though....

geoff

Message last edited on 4/15/2010 8:44:13 PM by Geoff_Wood.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: raskiefilm
Date: 4/15/2010 9:44:39 PM

@ Geoff

My thoughts as well with regards to sample libraries.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Lavoll
Date: 4/16/2010 6:06:05 AM

havent tested it, but in my next system there will be hopefully two SSD disks, one for the OS etc and one for the most used orchestral library.

and in regards for acid 8.. i dont know what it will be like or when it comes, but I am sure we will have many wonderful babies together :) hehe.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Cheye
Date: 4/16/2010 11:58:07 AM

Try Cubase 5 and Acid Pro 7 Rewired. A beautiful combination of stability and power. I've used both platforms individually and I love Acid Pro 7, but together with Cubase 5 I have found a wonderful experience.

cheye

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: coolout
Date: 4/27/2010 1:10:28 AM

I guess it's time for a feature request thread!!!!

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: kitekrazee
Date: 5/3/2010 4:47:43 PM

Who is to say the next update of 7 might be 64 bit.

The only stable DAW app I have that is 64bit is Reaper. Sonar-not so much.

I've found that all of my 32 bit DAW apps are running quite stable in W7x64.

Plus when someone wants a new version, then it happens, then you have to fork out some money. Sometimes timing isn't good in those situations,

Message last edited on 5/3/2010 4:49:09 PM by kitekrazee.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Zacchino
Date: 5/5/2010 10:13:38 PM

Peter,

Let me quote you :
>about sandboxing (This would actually be nice even for pure 32 bit environment.)

That would be such a pain reliever, and would make the overall Acid experience much, much more stable for weird plugin behaviours.

I just wnated to pinpoint this great idea ^^

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: krushem
Date: 5/6/2010 4:01:05 PM

I don't mind that ACID PRO 8 is taking a while.
I don't want them to rush out a product just because,ya know what I mean?

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: ClipMan
Date: 5/14/2010 9:37:43 AM

Hi,

OK, here's my suggestion. I'll even provide the code so Wisconsin can implement quickly:

{IF} not selected
{THEN} lock down everything else except mute and solo.
{PLEASE} engage, make it so ...

Brian

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: kawaii
Date: 5/18/2010 7:04:42 PM

kitekrazee,

RE: piano roll

there is a very nice new feature of acid called 'in-line m.i.d.i. edit'. or something to those words... you click it, and there is your piano roll in the main sequencer window, in-line

Inline MIDI Editing
Manipulate MIDI data directly on the ACID timeline with a piano roll or a drum grid interface. Edit all note position, velocity, pitch bend, and controller information in the main multitrack interface.
(http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/acidpro/midi)

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: TeeCee
Date: 5/18/2010 9:39:16 PM

Shortcut key to MIDI editing in piano roll is either Alt+G or Ctrl+G (not at my PC with Acid on it at the moment). You hit that and you see a keyboard to play with.

Additionally, once you make a MIDI clip, you can copy the clip as a new clip and edit the copy (in Clip Viewer or whatever it's called - not on the track as that doesn't make a copy, it just makes another instance of the same clip). MIDI is SO much easier than it ever was when I used SONAR and I wouldn't give up SONAR because Acid 5's MIDI was weak and buggy. Sony has fixed that and then some.

TeeCee

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: number6nyc
Date: 6/9/2010 6:46:45 PM

Acid Music Studio 8 has appeared. Is this supposed to be a replacement for Pro? It appears to do everything Pro does, unless I miss my guess, which I probably do. If it's supposed to replace Pro, then it's exceedingly inexpensive.

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: krushem
Date: 6/9/2010 7:12:17 PM

Here's a comparison chart for AMS 8 vs. Pro 7.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/musicstudio/compare

Looks like Pro 7 has more features.



Message last edited on 6/9/2010 7:16:38 PM by krushem.
Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: Iacobus
Date: 6/11/2010 5:27:22 PM

Music Studio 8 is definitely not a replacement for Pro 7. If it was, I'd have to ask what they're smoking up there in Madison. lol

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: runman
Date: 6/15/2010 12:19:18 AM

Not a replacement, but if you only use loops and samples like I do, it is a damn freakin cheap power option. Kudos Sony, this thing freakin rocks for the general population....meanwhile I don't regret buying AP7 :)

Subject: RE: ACID Pro 8
Reply by: _Gabriel_
Date: 6/21/2010 12:15:17 AM

"In the end, each VSTi would be limited to no more than 4 gb, with the realistic amount being more in the 3 gb max".

This is a very valid statement !!!!!

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