VV2.0 Reverb

Ron Lucas wrote on 12/22/2000, 7:59 AM

I'd like to know how to get the reverb plugin that comes
with VV2 to sound better. I don't know the terms on how to
describe what I'm hearing, but when putting reverb on a
kick or snare drum, the reverb does not sound smooth. I
have Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 that comes with it's own DX
plugins, and that reverb sounds better. I also own Waves
NPP, and of course it sounds great, but I don't like all
the CPU time Waves takes away. I feel the other VV2 plug
ins are really good, but I don't know why the reverb sounds
so cheap. Any ideas on how to make it sound warm and
smooth? I've tried all the presets and played with the
settings, but no go. I'm looking at selling my Cakewalk
Pro Audio 9 and Waves NPP someday, so I'd really like to
get the VV2 reverb to work for me.

I'm using a PIII/800 with 128MB RAM and 40GB Ultra DMA
drive.

Thanks,
Ron

Comments

JimT wrote on 12/22/2000, 9:35 AM

I know what you're talking about. Try TC Native reverbs. They have a very lush sound that's adjustable
and the reverb tails are very smooth. You have full control over how bright or dark you want the 'verbs
to sound as well as all the other adjustments such as predelay, room size, length of reverb...even room
SHAPE. I've yet to find another software based reverb to sound as good as this one.

Ron Lucas wrote:
>>I'd like to know how to get the reverb plugin that comes
>>with VV2 to sound better. I don't know the terms on how to
>>describe what I'm hearing, but when putting reverb on a
>>kick or snare drum, the reverb does not sound smooth. I
>>have Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 that comes with it's own DX
>>plugins, and that reverb sounds better. I also own Waves
>>NPP, and of course it sounds great, but I don't like all
>>the CPU time Waves takes away. I feel the other VV2 plug
>>ins are really good, but I don't know why the reverb sounds
>>so cheap. Any ideas on how to make it sound warm and
>>smooth? I've tried all the presets and played with the
>>settings, but no go. I'm looking at selling my Cakewalk
>>Pro Audio 9 and Waves NPP someday, so I'd really like to
>>get the VV2 reverb to work for me.
>>
>>I'm using a PIII/800 with 128MB RAM and 40GB Ultra DMA
>>drive.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ron
>>

bgc wrote on 12/22/2000, 12:00 PM

Hi Ron,
Reverbs definitely fit the description, "You get what you
pay for" in terms of CPU usage. The Waves reverbs
(especially their new ren. reverb) sound great but are very
expensive. My favorite CPU affordable reverb is the
Timeworks 4080L (www.sonictimeworks.com). It sounds very
good and is affordable. I think they have a free demo that
you can download and try.
I really can't recommend Sonic Foundry's reverb plug-ins.
Or really any of their plug-ins. They all sound too
sterile to me.
Brett

Ron Lucas wrote:
>>I'd like to know how to get the reverb plugin that comes
>>with VV2 to sound better. I don't know the terms on how
to
>>describe what I'm hearing, but when putting reverb on a
>>kick or snare drum, the reverb does not sound smooth. I
>>have Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 that comes with it's own DX
>>plugins, and that reverb sounds better. I also own Waves
>>NPP, and of course it sounds great, but I don't like all
>>the CPU time Waves takes away. I feel the other VV2 plug
>>ins are really good, but I don't know why the reverb
sounds
>>so cheap. Any ideas on how to make it sound warm and
>>smooth? I've tried all the presets and played with the
>>settings, but no go. I'm looking at selling my Cakewalk
>>Pro Audio 9 and Waves NPP someday, so I'd really like to
>>get the VV2 reverb to work for me.
>>
>>I'm using a PIII/800 with 128MB RAM and 40GB Ultra DMA
>>drive.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ron
>>

MacMoney wrote on 12/22/2000, 1:11 PM

Hi Brett,
You hit the nail on the head, I use the Timeworks, SF
Acoustic Mirror, Waves Rverb and True Verb. I have some of
the others but The Timeworks is always a very good start,
very little CPU usage. TrueVerb is cool if you are not
looking for a Reverb effect but a room type of effect.
Waves Rverb has a really cool reverse reverb and I like it
a lot on lead vocals but it is very CPU hungry. Acoustic
Mirror is cool too for Mike Models or if you have some
Lexicon, Sony or Eventide impulses AM is also a CPU hog

George Ware

Brett Crockett wrote:
>>Hi Ron,
>>Reverbs definitely fit the description, "You get what you
>>pay for" in terms of CPU usage. The Waves reverbs
>>(especially their new ren. reverb) sound great but are
very
>>expensive. My favorite CPU affordable reverb is the
>>Timeworks 4080L (www.sonictimeworks.com). It sounds very
>>good and is affordable. I think they have a free demo
that
>>you can download and try.
>>I really can't recommend Sonic Foundry's reverb plug-
ins.
>>Or really any of their plug-ins. They all sound too
>>sterile to me.
>>Brett
>>
>>Ron Lucas wrote:
>>>>I'd like to know how to get the reverb plugin that
comes
>>>>with VV2 to sound better. I don't know the terms on
how
>>to
>>>>describe what I'm hearing, but when putting reverb on a
>>>>kick or snare drum, the reverb does not sound smooth.
I
>>>>have Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 that comes with it's own DX
>>>>plugins, and that reverb sounds better. I also own
Waves
>>>>NPP, and of course it sounds great, but I don't like
all
>>>>the CPU time Waves takes away. I feel the other VV2
plug
>>>>ins are really good, but I don't know why the reverb
>>sounds
>>>>so cheap. Any ideas on how to make it sound warm and
>>>>smooth? I've tried all the presets and played with the
>>>>settings, but no go. I'm looking at selling my
Cakewalk
>>>>Pro Audio 9 and Waves NPP someday, so I'd really like
to
>>>>get the VV2 reverb to work for me.
>>>>
>>>>I'm using a PIII/800 with 128MB RAM and 40GB Ultra DMA
>>>>drive.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ron
>>>>

Rednroll wrote on 12/27/2000, 7:00 PM

I will second the Timeworks 4080L reverb sounds very good,
without taking a lot of CPU hogginess. My favorite is
definitely the TC Native Reverb, but you definitely pay for
the smoothness with CPU usage. I also like the cakewalk
FX2 reverb, where you can alter the size and shape of the
room. Waves reverb is ok, but not worth the cpu usage. SF
reverb, I used once and never looked at it again. DSP FX
also makes some good sounding reverbs, but are not very
user friendly to work with.

The best thing to do is to keep your TC Reverbs if you own
them, and if you're running into CPU and RAM usage issues,
you can always do the old trick of soloing the tracks
you're running through the plugin and record the returns to
a new track. Then remove the plugin and walah adjust the
volume of your new reverb return track until you have the
mix you want. (This is also another way to do automated
effects for those of you screaming for automated
effects...ie you can pan and do level changes on effects
returns). I haven't had to use this one since I bought my
700Mhz Athlon with 128Meg of RAM, so I'm guessing you're
running a lot of tracks with EQ's and such also, if you're
having CPU usage problems.

George Ware wrote:
>>Hi Brett,
>>You hit the nail on the head, I use the Timeworks, SF
>>Acoustic Mirror, Waves Rverb and True Verb. I have some
of
>>the others but The Timeworks is always a very good start,
>>very little CPU usage. TrueVerb is cool if you are not
>>looking for a Reverb effect but a room type of effect.
>>Waves Rverb has a really cool reverse reverb and I like
it
>>a lot on lead vocals but it is very CPU hungry. Acoustic
>>Mirror is cool too for Mike Models or if you have some
>>Lexicon, Sony or Eventide impulses AM is also a CPU hog
>>
>>George Ware
>>
>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>Hi Ron,
>>>>Reverbs definitely fit the description, "You get what
you
>>>>pay for" in terms of CPU usage. The Waves reverbs
>>>>(especially their new ren. reverb) sound great but are
>>very
>>>>expensive. My favorite CPU affordable reverb is the
>>>>Timeworks 4080L (www.sonictimeworks.com). It sounds
very
>>>>good and is affordable. I think they have a free demo
>>that
>>>>you can download and try.
>>>>I really can't recommend Sonic Foundry's reverb plug-
>>ins.
>>>>Or really any of their plug-ins. They all sound too
>>>>sterile to me.
>>>>Brett
>>>>
>>>>Ron Lucas wrote:
>>>>>>I'd like to know how to get the reverb plugin that
>>comes
>>>>>>with VV2 to sound better. I don't know the terms on
>>how
>>>>to
>>>>>>describe what I'm hearing, but when putting reverb on
a
>>>>>>kick or snare drum, the reverb does not sound
smooth.
>>I
>>>>>>have Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 that comes with it's own DX
>>>>>>plugins, and that reverb sounds better. I also own
>>Waves
>>>>>>NPP, and of course it sounds great, but I don't like
>>all
>>>>>>the CPU time Waves takes away. I feel the other VV2
>>plug
>>>>>>ins are really good, but I don't know why the reverb
>>>>sounds
>>>>>>so cheap. Any ideas on how to make it sound warm and
>>>>>>smooth? I've tried all the presets and played with
the
>>>>>>settings, but no go. I'm looking at selling my
>>Cakewalk
>>>>>>Pro Audio 9 and Waves NPP someday, so I'd really like
>>to
>>>>>>get the VV2 reverb to work for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm using a PIII/800 with 128MB RAM and 40GB Ultra
DMA
>>>>>>drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>