ugh . .

What I am getting in Pi is a 16x9 BG appearing as 4x3 WITHIN the 16x9 Stage?!??

I hate this when this happens . . I am doing something wrong and I can't fathom what it is I am dong incorrectly.

The 16x9 plays perfectly as 16x9 in Vegas and Windows Media Player.

Grazie

Grazie save an image from Vegas as a backgroud
then in PI call the image in and SET STAGE TO SIZE of image when asked in PI then render to stage size

Rory

Yes, Rory, but the image 16x9 IS coming in as 4x3 and NOT 16x9? What is the point of that? BTW, this is an AVI I am pulling in and not a STILL. Just to repeat, a 16x9 image/video is coming in as 4x3. It is as if Pi is ignoring the 16x9 flag and voting for 4x3, regardless!

Grazie

I think PI will ignore all PAR info from memory.
You need to go out of Vegas with square pixels.
Just render as PAR as 1:1 out of Vegas and all should be OK.

Then again it's been a looong time since I used PI, they might have fixed this.

Bob.

So, I should stay with 16x9 but make square pixies = 1:1 PAR? Yes?

Grazie

Just checking this in V8.
To get the video as 16:9 with a 1:1 PAR I think you have to render to Uncompressed. Once you've selected that THEN you set frame size to 1049x576, Frame Rate 25 and PAR as 1:1.

File size will be BIG but it's only a reference file that you can delete later. If there's any other codec that PI will read you could use that for a smaller file size.

The same would apply to 4:3, the difference in PAR is not so great so you might be able to ignore it unless you needed to precisely align elements.

Bob.

Yes, see below.

Bob.

Grazie my PAR is SQ renderd to 1024 x 596 in Vegas and in PI when I confirm settings in project settings it is correct 16x9

What version of PI are you using?

The latest: 3.0.4 Dec 2008

Well, there's a thing? We now have 2 formats to render out to:

1024 x 596 = 1.718 . . . ( Rory)

1049 x 576 = 1.8211 . . . (Bob)


16 x 9 = 1.7777 (Actual)

Argghh . .. we are here again!! Hate hate hate . . .

Grazie

So? What is it Guys? Both appear to be out of kilter with 16x9 ratio?

Grazie

Well Grazie I don’t think that the PAR is your problem as both the proportions are very close

Their must be another issue that is giving you a 4x3 aspect in PI

ok ok ok . ..

Started - AFRESH!!!

I'm going out using Bob's recipe using SQUARE.

I get into Pi and have a nice BG.

Now when I render back OUT I have tried

1] The DV Encoder - set to PAL

2] Uncompressed

Huh!!

1] comes back with an NTSC height, showing properties as 720x480!

But

2] comes back BETTER as 1052x576, and that is as near as I have got.

All project and Prefs are pointing to PAL at 25fps.

Why am getting a BIGGER width being "echoed" back in Vegas, with uncompressed. AND why when I set DV encoder to PAL I get a 720x480 when I challenge its properties back in Vegas?

To recap:

In Vegas render using Bob's ratios and 1:1 PAR

In Pi Project & Prefs set to PAL, render gives anomalies back in Vegas

I did this with Bob on SKYPE, thanks Bob!! So if he wioshes he can confirm.

Grazie

Hi Grazie!
Perhaps an email to Wondertouch?
I've had this same problem when trying to add particles to a 16:9 video and having it come into PI as 4:3. The particles are then slightly stretched when I bring them into Vegas.

Is it possible to render out of Vegas as 1049x576 with a custom template?

Hi Ali! "Is it possible to render out of Vegas as 1049x576 with a custom template?" - yes I did this, see above.

Rory, I started afresh and that "appears" to have released some logic in getting a 16x9 as a BG. That's a start - huh?

As to emailing Pi, I have set a question on the COW. Alan told me to read the previous posts on this. I have, but I didn't get a "look" or working workflow, I could make happen?

Grazie