No One Told Me

Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 4/24/2007, 9:28 AM
I filmed the local pantomime this year as I always do, twice due to 2 lots of chorus people.

I used some of the generic footage from one project on the other and turned the offer down to render the audio As I knew it was correct and so did not need to hear all again.

Come time to render the whole project out I find that the audio from the inserted projects was silent while everything is OK, is this correct, as it means I need to render the audio from a projected drooped into the time line and then render again when doing the final render or is there a wrong setting in my V7?

I did sort it by re-starting the project allowing the render and then doing the audio again and all was well, but seems odd.

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earthrisers wrote on 4/24/2007, 10:42 AM
But pantomime is silent, isn't it...?



Sorry... not a helpful comment, but audio problem with pantomime just makes me curious.
Tim Stannard wrote on 4/24/2007, 12:21 PM
But pantomime is silent, isn't it...?

All together now..."Oh no it isn't!"

I don't know where you got your ideas about pantomime from (presumably the "mime" bit at the end) but traditional British pantomime is anything but silent.

From Wiki...

Traditionally performed at Christmas, with family audiences consisting mainly of children and parents, British pantomime is now a popular form of theatre, incorporating song, dance, buffoonery, slapstick, in-jokes, audience participation and mild sexual innuendo (but to the innocent everything is pure). Plots are often loosely based on traditional children's stories

And...

Audience participation, including calls of "look behind you!" (or "he's behind you!"), and "oh yes it is!" or "oh no it isn't!" The audience is always encouraged to "boo" the villain.

(Hence my initial comment)

Anyway, back to the original question. I'm a bit unclear - are you asking about producing a DVD in Architect (in which case the question should really be asked in the DVDA forum)?
If so...
When you import a mpg2 file, myvideo.mpg into the timeline in DVDA it will look for a corresponding audio file - myvideo.ac3 - in the same folder.

If your second video is called myvideo2, as there is no myvideo2.ac3 it wil not import that - and hence you will have no audio. I suspect (though I've not tried) you could manually import myvideo.ac2 to the same place in the timeline. Alternatively make a copy of myvideo.ac3 called myvideo2.ac3.

On the other hanbd that may not be what you're asking at all.
jaydeeee wrote on 4/24/2007, 12:43 PM
Subject: no one told you?

Maybe they were trying to pantomime it?

>>I filmed the local pantomime this year as I always do, twice due to 2 lots of chorus people<<

>>>and turned the offer down to render the audio As I knew it was correct and so did not need to hear all again.<<<

Wow!...just...wow.

is there a question in any of this?
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 4/24/2007, 2:43 PM
The pantomimes are very good, done by amateurs but saying that is an probally insult as it is the biggest amateur Panto in the UK.
http://www.playhouseharlow.com/robinhood/index.htm

Back to the question. all based on V7 & not DVD-A

I make a project with say 6 scenes of which 3 I can re-use in my next project.
I open the next project and drop the previous project into it, a window opens to render the that project, I cancel this. I then trim the project to 3 of the clips I can re-use and edit 3 new ones

Are you with me?

I can see the visuals along the time line but notice there is no audio wave form (the clips are there but blank) on the inserted project, not to worry I think as when I render to AC3 it will surly render it out for me. oh yes it will
After the render the bits with that had blank audio sections were still blank no rendering had taken place.
So I reopen the project to force this rendering of the added project, this time I wait for the render to complete and the audio is no there on the time line, I re-render the audio to AC3 again and this time i have an intact complete audio track with no breaks

So the question is as I why do I need let the inserted project to render the audio before I do my audio, so effectively making to renders, I would have though it just picked up the fact it was an inserted project and extract the audio to render.

Clear or mud

Look out Dick heads this way & my Willie is a clever dick.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 4/24/2007, 3:00 PM
sounds to me like you've answered your question, I don't know why it's required, but perhaps if it sees no quasi audio file then it doesn't know that it needs to render the other audio files to the final project? Don't know, but that makes as much sense as anything to me.

Dave
Nobody wrote on 4/24/2007, 8:20 PM
Perhaps another way to go at this would be to save the original (first) project with a new name. Then make your edits and add in the additional footage. Shouldn't this accomplish the same end result?

(I haven't delved into nested projects yet, so this is how I've done similar projects in the past.)
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 4/25/2007, 2:15 AM
It seems to make no difference if the inserted project is rendered or not as soon as you add a project it wants to render to make proxy video.
Now if this is a 2 hour project ( as the panto is) then it takes a while to render it.
I assumed (wrongly) that V7 would know it was an inserted project and render it just like the rest regardless of if I have done the small proxy or not as will need to render better for the final for me.

The other problem is if you adjust to the original you have to update the new project or you still get the old sound & images. so adding quite a bit of time to the project, probably best to copy and paste I guess.

If some one could verify that would be helpful. drop a VEG into a blank project cancel the render and then do a project render and see what happens.
Thanks.
Grazie wrote on 4/25/2007, 2:47 AM
The other problem is if you adjust to the original you have to update the new project or you still get the old sound & images. so adding quite a bit of time to the project, probably best to copy and paste I guess.

I have been doing exactly this for a week. Nested Projects DO get up dated when their underlying feed/supply projects are edited and saved.

- g

Mahesh wrote on 4/25/2007, 3:26 AM
>The other problem is if you adjust to the original you have to update the new project or you still get the old sound & images. so adding quite a bit of time to the project, probably best to copy and paste I guess.<

I have had instances in the past when the underlying project would not update when changes have been made.

Unfortunately frustration overtook curiosity so that I have ended up deleting the proxy project in the timeline and relaying the veg file on timeline. The only way I could get the proxy project to render.

Fortunately, these have been isolated incidences.

But, Yes, very occassionally, the proxy files do not update.