27 Live Music Edits in 3 1/2 Days, I love Veg

MUTTLEY wrote on 3/19/2007, 2:50 PM
So just before South by Southwest here in Austin got a call from a company looking for a Final Cut Pro editor to pump out live music vids for playback on Verizon phones on their Vcast. I let em know that while I don't use Final Cut if he wants fast editing I can knock that stuff out all day long using Vegas, he say's he'll talk to his higher-ups and he'll call me back. They call back an hour later and I get the gig. Originally I was just going to be tweaking line edits so that they work on a phones tiny screen, taking out wide shots and what not that when scaled down would be unwatchable and censoring cursing and the like. Somewhere along the line the deal changes and I'm suddenly importing tapes from their 3 HDV camera shoots and hafta edit and render em out in avi, flash, and wmv. Just thrilled to say that Vegas on my laptop rocked it out and hopefully opened the eyes of some of the folks who brought me onboard and others that were involved in the production. Like the title of the thread says, 27 live music vids in just 3 1/2 days, I'm sure its not a world record but it's deffinatly more than I thought I could do. =)

And a huge thanks to Spot and this forum for the tips. I hadn't worked with HDV at all before and had to do a little diggin here on the forums to figure out the best way to make it 4:3 standard rez as well as hittin Spot up for some last second insight.

Had a blast and never ever never wanna learn FCP, I got what I need right here!

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

Comments

jaydeeee wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:04 PM
>>Had a blast and never ever never wanna learn FCP, I got what I need right here<<

This isn't wise advice for people here, you should learn as much as you can and that includes other systems/applications.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:05 PM

Good for you! Congrats on showing them what you and Vegas are capable of!

Bill Ravens wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:14 PM
wooHooOoo!!!

Way way cool! Wish I was there.
farss wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:15 PM
Having spent a few minutes with an FCP guy yesterday that's VERY good advice.
One could earn a sizeable income teaching FCP, writing books and providing support.
Bob.
MUTTLEY wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:20 PM
"This isn't wise advice for people here, you should learn as much as you can and that includes other systems/applications."

LMAO, okay man, whatever works for ya. And I don't think it was advice, I was talking about myself. That said, while I'm probably not the poster child for how to be successful in this business I have been able, with ONLY VEGAS, to stay afloat for some 6 years now doing this stuff full time. Granted it's had its share of ups and downs but I'm quite content to not conform to what other people think I need to do to get a job done. Sorry but not about to go buy a Mac to do what I can do rather comfortably on my PC. My opinion has always been it doesn't matter what you cut with, after all, it used to just be scissors and tape! I don't care what brand of tool the plumber uses as long as he can do his job.

And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with learning other programs, but for me, I'd rather stick to my guns and prove my merit with Vegas.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com
Jay Gladwell wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:23 PM

... but I'm quite content to not conform to what other people think I need to do to get a job done.

Ditto! More power to you, Ray!

knrhodes wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:33 PM
amen Ray - AMEN!
winrockpost wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:44 PM
......................27 Live Music Edits in 3 1/2 Days,

Wow,if you werent already ,you are now Very experienced ,
relax and have a beverage
winrockpost wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:44 PM
......................27 Live Music Edits in 3 1/2 Days,

Wow,if you werent already ,you are now Very experienced ,
relax and have a beverage
winrockpost wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:46 PM
oops
jrazz wrote on 3/19/2007, 3:49 PM
Congratulations Ray! Hopefully this will open up more doors for you.

j razz
jaydeeee wrote on 3/19/2007, 4:49 PM
>>>LMAO, okay man, whatever works for ya.<<<

Mutt, I didn't say anything about you, your works, site, etc.
Plus, the reason I replied that is all about " it doesn't matter what tool is used". All of them will work.

What the hell are you LYAO for? Is it really "funny" to you?

So you're on the "Vegas forum" telling people about vegas and "not wanting to learn the other tools"...viva la vegas!!, blah-blah, etc....
it's not going to shake the point - it's not great advice (not wanting to learn anything else).
Sorry if you didn't like the reply (but, too bad).

Personally I think your examples on your site are great.
In reference to your pro vegas only though - so far with all of your examples on your site there are "Vegas-isms" throughout. Now if you would relax in reply to this, learning some other tools may help minimize some of this.

But all in all, I think your stuff so far is grand - what's with the BS?
I wasn't knocking you (or vegas).

"Had a blast and never ever never wanna learn [insert tool here]"

Dumb (but the rest is G-g-g-great!!

Hey, I can use Vegas from mix to master...but I sure as sh*t better know my PTools HD/lesser versions, Nuendos/etc, standard analog gear, surround tools, ad-nauseum...



CClub wrote on 3/19/2007, 5:33 PM
Ray, really nice work on your website!

For the music videos where you did the taping, what're you using for cameras?
p@mast3rs wrote on 3/19/2007, 6:16 PM
Mutt,

I just checked out your site and I must say dude, you have grown tremendously over the years. Dude, seriously, be VERY proud of your work. Some of my kids saw your work and one even said that he hopes to be as good as you someday. Major props from them and from me. Your reel is one of the best I have seen in a long time.

Kick ass dude.
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/19/2007, 7:37 PM
Ray is great, his work is very successful and he's usually too modest to post about it. Most folks only dream of the learning/growth curve he's gone through in the last few years. Vegas or not, Ray also demonstrates well that it's not the tools, it's the eyes and ideas.
In Ray's particular position, it doesn't matter if he knows FCP, Avid, whatever. He shoots his own work, writes his own work, edits his own work, and outputs his own work.
I don't understand why his accomplishment needs to turn into a thread about how dumb he is; his work speaks volumes.
If you haven't seen his submission to "The Lot," it's brilliantly written, acted, and executed, IMO.
stopint wrote on 3/19/2007, 8:21 PM
i started with vegas audio 1.0 back in my radio days and got interested in the video along the way ... but curiosity got me to learn final cut and premiere ... i really like final cut a lot for what it is but with vegas it seems you can do things with less steps...vegas is much more intuitive...
jaydeeee wrote on 3/19/2007, 10:18 PM
>>>Ray is great, his work is very successful and he's usually too modest to post about it. Most folks only dream of the learning/growth curve he's gone through in the last few years. Vegas or not<<<

Whoa, wait a sec - mind a Vegas ego check?:

Vegas is not a replacement - it's another tool.
The reply made isn't about how dumb ANYONE is...it's about a dumb STATEMENT.

"I don't want to/need to learn...[fill in the blank]" is dumb.
I don't think even he believes that.

Muttley however is NOT dumb (at least I don't think he is).
Let's not put words in anyones mouth.
John_Cline wrote on 3/19/2007, 11:05 PM
OK, now I'm certain, jaydeee is the forum's new BillyBoy. Swell...
PeterWright wrote on 3/19/2007, 11:08 PM
Hold on there jaydeee.
By saying "It's dumb" you are assuming a universal ability to make unquestionable judgements.
How about saying "I think that's dumb ...", then it's an opinion.

Like Ray, I don't want to or need to learn any other editing program.
I am not dumb, nor is that statement.
I know I can do everything I want with Vegas, and earn a good living, and the thought of climbing an unnecessary learning curve is not at all attractive to me.

Peace and love to users of Vegas, or any other NLE.
GlennChan wrote on 3/20/2007, 1:33 AM
Having used a lot of Final Cut lately...

A- It's good to know other systems, just to know what tools are good for what and what's out there. Also, sometimes you may end up in a position where you need to know a little bit about a particular system.
B- I still love Vegas. I've seen a lot of FCP bugs lately... and its lack of AAF export is annoying, especially when their marketing is deceptive (that FCP needs Automatic Duck for AAF is hidden in the details). There's definitely lots of things to like about Vegas.


Like Peter said... Peace and love to users of Vegas, or any other NLE.
jaydeeee wrote on 3/20/2007, 2:16 AM
>>By saying "It's dumb" you are assuming a universal ability to...(snip) <<

Well,
No disrespect but I gotta keep it real - that's BS imo. This is an artform much like any other, knowing your tools is part of the game.
The horseblinder approach (just vegas) is "dumb", especially with a person with talent (which he has a ton of). Plain and simple.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree.

BTW, do you think I'd make the suggestion if I didn't think he's perfectly capable of meeting the feared "learning curve"? I think a learning curve in his case might be shorter trip than perceived..if one at all. But if he just wants to use Vegas so be it.
deusx wrote on 3/20/2007, 3:48 AM
>>>No disrespect but I gotta keep it real - that's BS imo. This is an artform much like any other, knowing your tools is part of the game<<<

He does know his tools ( Vegas )

It's a waste of time to start learning FCP if he doesn't need it. That time is much better invested in learning more important, creative stuff and developing his ideas.

You don't bother learning another tool until you absolutelly need it, or have time to spare.

There are so many people who want to learn different tools and buy all the tools they can get, and we end up with a lot of people with a lot of tools and technical knowledge, but nothing to say.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 3/20/2007, 6:03 AM

OK, now I'm certain, jaydeee is the forum's new BillyBoy. Swell...

I've been thinking that same thing, John. I guess it's true, about nature abhorring a vacuum.

CClub wrote on 3/20/2007, 6:06 AM
Okay, can someone explain the BillyBoy reference? Not knowing that reference, the only comparisons I could come up with were...

my cranky old uncle who walked around in his underwear yelling at any kids who hit baseballs into his yard...

Ralph Kramden...

The old lady on the scooter in "Waking Ned Devine"...