Are You Upgrading: Yes or No?

Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/10/2006, 8:58 AM

No.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:00 AM

Yes - for HDV is it a must.

clearvu wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:01 AM

no

dibbkd wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:04 AM

I'll let you know after Tuesday.

JJKizak wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:05 AM

Yes.
JJK

Maestro wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:38 AM

No--I'm not doing HDV at this time.

p@mast3rs wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:41 AM

Based on the info released thus far, I have to reluctantly say No. Ill give the trial a whirl next week but at this time, Production Studio offers the same if not more bang for my buck especially with HD DVD/BD authoring coming in an October update. Ill still use Vegas for working with obscure files but right now, sadly, Adobe has seemed to finally one up Sony/SF. Im not happy about it all. Actually it kinda sucks.

newbe wrote on 9/10/2006, 9:53 AM

I want to try it, then I'll let you know.

mark-woollard wrote on 9/10/2006, 10:35 AM

Yes.

Mikeof7 wrote on 9/10/2006, 10:36 AM

Not doing HDV yet, so it becomes a little more of a price point issue.

$249 - no way
$199 - uh...no
$149 - prolly not
$129 - maybe
$99 - prolly
$79 - yep
$49 - done deal

DGrob wrote on 9/10/2006, 10:38 AM

Yes

ken c wrote on 9/10/2006, 10:39 AM

what Mikeof7 said...

now if they had a great titler, and faster render speeds, and actually Useful new features, then sure... but from what I've seen so far... blech. just like V4 to V5 to V6.. V4 was just fine... (I only got V6 so I could use latest plugins like Ultimate-S, not because of anything sony did for vegas)

ken

epirb wrote on 9/10/2006, 10:40 AM

Patrick, love ya like a brother man but you are all over the road dude.. one minute you got the credit card allready for purchase, and your gonna buy it without even using the trial, checkin the site in anticipation, then next you are disaapointed in the release and are going to Adobe.. then back agian.
I mean no offence man, but maybe wait till its out and you DO try it before switchin sides again.

As for me, most likely YES, and thats based on the "facts/features" that we have been released. HDV is pretty much the format that I am working with ,so if the improvments in that area are what they say . The upgrade is worth it for me right there.
Sure i too would like to get my hands on the trial as soon as the buzz starts happening, but...
Whether its released on a monday , friday or tuesday or how they are publicizing the release makes no difference to me, that stuff doesnt mean squat 2 days after its out and its improvements help my work flow. we have all survived using V6 between now and when we hoped we might see an upgrade round NAB time.
And while this poll is good I think, this forum is only a small percentage of Vegas users, and from being here in this and other forums we all use Vegas in so many different ways (I mean Wholly Crap ! different)

Ok sorry end of rant, and I meant no offence Patrick , oyu are not the only one on the fence.

Heck wait till next week, when the posts turn from "whens it gonna get here?" to us all going : "Yeah this is awsome!!!" or "Arrg more V7 bugs!!!" I really do enjoy the different dynamics of this forum. :0 )

randy-stewart wrote on 9/10/2006, 10:50 AM

Yes.
Randy

Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/10/2006, 11:20 AM

Just a straight yes or no answer.

That's a tough concept to grasp!

;o)

Paul_Holmes wrote on 9/10/2006, 11:32 AM

Yes

odysea wrote on 9/10/2006, 11:41 AM

No.

p@mast3rs wrote on 9/10/2006, 11:43 AM

Eric,

I was already to jump on it last week because someone on another forum told me that Sony included an app/plugin similar to DVRack in Vegas 7 which I have since found out to be untrue. That was the main reason I was ready to jump all over it. Now I have to rethink my position...at school, they use Adobe Video Collection and I got my school to agree to use Vegas 6d but that wont be until the following year because of the approval process. At home, Ill stick with V6d or maybe V7 depending on how the trial goes.

There is just so many areas Sony could have done for Vegas 7 to truely make it a full version upgrade instead of a dot release. What we have seen so far on the leaked reports and press releases doesnt warrant an upgrade much less a cost.

What truly angers me is that Sony has had almost six months longer to develop this compared to the last few versions. DVDA4 has some nice improvements but theres nothing that DVDA4 can do that I cant already do with Encore DVD2. Heck, theres not alot I couldnt do with Encore DVD 1.5.

Maybe my expectations are too high and probably are. But for the same $200, Adobe gave their users a hecka lot more and I am not just talking 10 bit support either. While I recognize its getting harder and harder to come up with new features for NLEs, it doesnt seem to stop companies from charging the same price for less improvements/features.

Vegas 7

* New! Comprehensive XDCAM SD/HD support
* New! Improved HDV playback performance
* New! Enhanced hardware support for Blackmagic Design DeckLink™ and AJA
* New! Improved workflow tools
* New! Sony DVD 5.1 camera support
* New! Cinescore software plug-in support
* New! Enhanced HDV, SD/HD-SDI support
* New! Enhanced video monitoring
* New! Direct export to Sony® PSP® (PlayStation®Portable)
* New! Render to iPod®-compatible formats

The last two were already available in Vegas 6d so how can this really be new?

I promise I am not trying to be downer or to crap all over Sony but it just seems that al we get anymore are little nibbles here and there. How awesome would it have been for Sony to either develop or license something similar to DVRack or Ultra2? Or to even include multicam support without the need for a third party plug?

Someone in another thread said Sony needs to take it cue from MS and I agree. Each new OS provides basic functions so that users dont have to shell out thousands to do the stuff they are used to. Vista offers DVD burning so now users dont need to shell out more money to do what they could on XP with additional apps. While I would hate to see Sony add all of the features of Ultimate S or Excalibur thus hurting Vasst's and JetDVs' sales, I would like to see Sony start implementing some of the more requested or needed features like multicamming or photo montages. It just makes good business sense to give your customers tools they need without having to force them to look to third party tools to accomplish it. That is what good service/products do for thier customers.

I am not saying Sony needs to be a one stop shop for everything but for the love of God, a lot of things that has proven can be done with Vegas even back to Vegas 5 with Excalibur and Ultimate S leaves Sony no excuse NOT to implement them unless they have some sort of a stake in either of those plugin products.

Furthermore, I think many of us are tired of waiting for third party developers to create plugins for us that are developed for Premiere Pros' Avids' etc.... Sony has an SDK but hardly any major company other than Red Giant or Boris has taken advantage of it. Now Sony must actively seek out those companies and try to get them to develop for thier NLE. Adobe learned the hard way with Premiere 6.x and now Sony will have to learn as well.

With the Mactels, many more people have opportunity to jump ship to FCP and some already have. So now Sony really has even more competition since OS is not a problem on those rigs.

While this forum may only be a small number of Vegas users, it seems this forum is the one that constantly gets overlooked and not thought of come development time. So regardless of how good Vegas 7 turns out to be, Vegas 8 had better hit a home run or I can seriously see Sony's focus shifting to consumers and I dont mean plugin support for the new "American Idol" program. Pun intended.

To sum up my stance, I see the V7DVDA4 as an upgrade more geared towards bringing DVDA current with other offerings with a couple improvements for V7 but nothing earth shattering. I might have made an impulse buy last week but thanks to several days between the press release and actual release, I made an educated decision with money. Maybe I am growing up afterall. :)

DavidMcKnight wrote on 9/10/2006, 11:57 AM

Yes

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:03 PM

"Vegas 8 had better hit a home run or I can seriously see Sony's focus shifting to consumers "

XD CAM HD, better Decklink Support, or AJA integration are not attractive points for consumers at all - who will use HDV in most cases without such an equipment, I think.

Ecquillii wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:14 PM

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p@mast3rs wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:15 PM

What I meant by that was all the intention Sony has spent creating for consumers as of late with Movie Studio and the American Idol junk. If Vegas 8 doesnt offer something revolutionary, then many will start the jump to other products where the consumers will be what Sony has left. Also, Sony is betting many consumers will be using HDV with the support Move Studio has now.

PossibilityX wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:34 PM

No.

Still with V5. Quite happy with it. HDV a non-issue for me.

epirb wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:39 PM

Like I said Patrick I meant no offence and should probably have directed my comments more general than to you(or just shut up and keep them to myself). You know much more about the other platforms than I ever will. Your points are truly well taken w/ one exception and that is .....it's still not out yet(V7) . While it may be that there is no more to V7 than what has already been released it is possible there is more. One of the things I am hoping for is fixes of some of the previous bugs issue with other previous releases, which in my opinion they wouldn't advertise,ya know what I mean?
I got to believe that the extra time in taking to release it was to truly improve the product , not just lowering it on the Sony priority list.

Anyways, let me say this ,I respect your opinion on many things.

I could say more but let me try and get this thread back on track,
so Im stickin with a
YES