VidCap should NOT update .sfvidcap files...

michael_morlan wrote on 8/5/2005, 10:10 PM
...every time I perform a batch capture. If I have a bad capture, with split files and broken video, my munged up capture entries overwrite my correct ones. I find myself manually write-protecting the .sfvidcap files to prevent this, then removing write-protection so I can save the .sfvidcap when I really wan to.

Let me decide when I want to save my session.

Thanks,

Michael Morlan
http://michael-morlan.net

Comments

Grazie wrote on 8/5/2005, 10:23 PM
You SHOULD be getting an option to SAVE on exit? So, the way I do it is:-

1/- Start with - MyVegasProject1

2/- Capture with - MyVegasProject1VidCap1.sfvidcap

3/- Re-Capture with - MyVegasProject1VidCap2.sfvidcap

Now, in #3 above, I can ELECT to do a further naming. Are you saying you don't get this option? If you just go ahread and SAVE the defualt " .sfvidcap " without naming, yes that DEFAULT will be overwritten, and you will get the result you described.

Have I got/understood this incorrectly?

Best regards,

Grazie

filmy wrote on 8/6/2005, 12:46 AM
It could be a few things - my pet peeve is the last saved project always is the "default" project and it always auto opens. But in this case is sounds like "auto save" is turned on. I do not have it open but I think there is an option that says something like "Save after each capture" or "update after capture". If you uncheck that you should be able to save when you want to.

Does Vegas 6 have a way to over ride the "auto open" part of vidcap? Vegas 4 sure doesn't.
Grazie wrote on 8/6/2005, 12:58 AM
Yes filmy, there is, ' "Save after each capture" ' option to check ON/OFF.

G
filmy wrote on 8/6/2005, 7:54 PM
I know that - I meant is there a way to bypass the "default" project opening each time - and I mean this is a two fold issue -
1> Whenever you save, what you save seems to become the "default"
2> When you open vidcap it just loads up whatever was the last project open and if it can't find that it trys to load the "default" file.

So I can't seem to find any method that affects VidCap. As in "When opening VidCap automaticly open last project" And click "yes/no"
Grazie wrote on 8/6/2005, 11:52 PM
. . like there is the option within Vegas Projects to - "Automatically Open Last project on Startup"? We can choose to have this or NOT on start-up. Yes?

Well, for VidCap, what parts of a "blank" VidCap session would you plump for? Drives? Device? Folders to where Captures would go? Plus all the other options we have in VidCap? Yes? Guess we would either need a Form to fill out and/or a VidCap Grazie form already filled out. Again, in Vegas Projects, we have - IMHO - the much under-used and potentially expandable "Project Properties" Form. I don't know if this would be acceptable to our SONY Vegas Programmers, but I can really envisage an "extra" tab - along with the existing "Video"; "Audio"; "Ruler"; "Summary" and the "Audio CD" tab a "VidCap" tab? Yes? - Here we could set all manner of things.

Presently there are tantalizing "indications" of linkages between Veg and VidCap sessions. In Vegas we have a Video tab in Preferences, "Use external video capture application". Within VidCap we can elect for captured clips go to the Media Pool ( NOW Project Media ) within the Vegas instance we are working in. We can even put a Capture Icon on the Vegas Toolbar.

Ever since I started working in VideoFactory and NOW onto Vegas6, the relationship and Preferences between the VidCap and the Vegas NLE had perplexed and confused me. Now I know better! But, oh yes "but", it would be real neat to have the option to suppress the last used VidCap project so we could at least start with a "fresh" VidCap on opening?

Perhaps the Programmers know of an "internal" option that would be switchable? It obviously must be happening for us to have the last VidCap project reopen? It has to be able to realise the location of drives and clips and the like, 'cos that's exactly what it IS doing. Maybe there is a way to "switch" this off and revert to a plain vanilla VidCap. THEN we would have the problem that we would HAVE to reset all the settings, just to get VidCap setup and going! I guess the programmers just can't win - eh?

We have covered this ground before, and, so long as VidCap is part of the Vegas suite I guess we will do it again too!

Now having all the major development and great functions within Vegas 6, VidCap doesn't really appear to be coming high up the agenda. Added to which we DO have the option to select/elect alternative capture s/w - hence the Preference for an "External" capture program option. This must give us a clue - yeah?

Best regards,

Grazie

Grazie wrote on 8/7/2005, 1:58 AM
Filmy? How about setting up a stratup file :

NEW_filmy_DefaultVidCap.sfvidcap

. .and then when you open VidCap you go

File > Open > NEW_filmy_DefaultVidCap.sfvidcap

Any good?

I have and just reviewed my own settings to a file:

GRAZIE New VidCap.sfvidcap

Then immeadialtey SAVE AS it as NewVIDCAPProject, then off you go. Then restart with a new one or use the one that opens - yes?

.. and yes . it would still be good to have a "blank" vidcap.

Grazie
filmy wrote on 8/7/2005, 7:11 PM
Now I am confused. Damn you Grazie...and your little dog toto too.

Um..ok, so yes to what you asked - have the little option to turn off the auto open. But saying that I just thought about this - in PPRO 1.5 you can no longer open up blank project. Well, you can but I mean you are presented with a screen that is pretty simple - "New Project" "Open Project" "Help". There is also a list of "Recent Projects". But say I just want to open - well, nothing. You can't...the other option is "Exit", and it does not mean from the menu...it closes PPro all together. So I like to test out and play around at times and now I have to create new usless projects to do that. Now with PPro, once you set a project that is it - you can't decide to change settings in mid stream.

So - back to Vegas. In Vegas - the editing part - you can open up a blank project. You always have "default" settings but you can change them whenever you want, even in mid project. However going over to the VidCap - there is no option for the "blank" part. And I think we are syaing the same thing here. But going to what you suggested - the "dummy" default so to speak - the blank one...we had somewhat of this discussion before when, was it you?, discovered that all the capture settings don't really stay "locked" with a project. So - sort of jumping around a bit, but if I remove my last saved project - say "Testing.sfvidcap" - when I next open VidCap I will get an error about not finding the "Default.sfvidcap" file. Not only that but all the capture settings will default back to the install directory. So now if I go and put back my "Testing.sfvidcap" it will have to be opened after the "Default.sfvidcap" is opened and all the capture settings will be gone. So this is a "bug" as I see it that would only cause frustration if you "last saved" a blank file each time as you suggest.

So now bouncing back tp PPro for a second - you have capture settings and you also have project settings. They aren't always connected but I can put a temp disk or a cpature disk and each project will use it, for example "K". I like that. Now back to Vegas - you can set up a default for each project - or the "blank" opening that include "temp" disks. I like that. But there isn't any "capture" default that the user can set up - I don't like this. It is the internal program saying to itself "Well *I* can't find any info in the 'lastprojectsaved.sfvidcap' file...I can't even find the 'lastprojectsaved.sfvidcap' file...so I am going to just give up and put everything in the root install directory and just create a new file."

I guess the formula might be something like:

if "default" = "blank" than "name = "NEW_project name"
if "default" = "project name" than "Name" = "PROJECT name"
if "default" DOES NOT EXIST than "name" = ASK USER for "NEW_project name"

Don't just tell user "Can not find 'Default.sfvidcap'" when chances are the user never created any file named that.

Like I said - we are talking about the same thing right?

*Edited - corrected some spelling.




Grazie wrote on 8/8/2005, 12:36 AM

Yes! All I did - with or without ToTo [ LOLLLL - while clicking heels!] was come up with some "potential" options, for those "listening" that might find its way onto a SONY Vegas development sheet of paper . .. these threads ARE read.

Having our debate will have been noted - something may have been logged .. here's hoping eh?

Regards,

Grazie
BrianStanding wrote on 8/8/2005, 8:51 AM
What I'd really like is if VidCap let you specify a capture folder for each clip, remember that setting, and automatically create the directory on your disk for you if it isn't there when you do a batch recapture.

This would vastly simplify restoring complicated archived projects EXACTLY the way they were when you left them. As it is now, you either have to dump all the files into a single directory and resort them after the fact, or you have to reset "Disk Management" preferences for each clip.