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farss wrote on 11/14/2004, 2:15 AM
I saw it and I certainly like the idea of having that in Vegas but is what's in Acid actually a nestable timeline, I mean can you make insert one project into another?
Mind you I've never been too keen on that idea, no ill will to those who want it if they get it, just don't quite see how it'd fit into my workflow. I much rather render bits out on a long project and have a 'master' project to pull them all together.
Folder tracks I do like though.
Bob.
Nat wrote on 11/14/2004, 11:50 AM
Nestable timelines and folder tracks are 2 different things, both useful, both complementary.
rmack350 wrote on 11/14/2004, 1:11 PM
It seems like nested timelines would depend on the implementation. For you, it might be more useful if it flowed in this way:

1. Select a set of events or a range.
2. Select (proposed menu item) "Make nested timeline"
3. Choose the location to save the new veg file to and save it.

From there you would have a new event in the curent project. That event would consist of the newly created Veg file (or I suppose it could be an Acid project file-Don't know the details of that but I offer it as a way of broadening the idea).

You might need a few new details added to the save dialog for nested projects: a means of confirming the events to include and also a means of locking the veg file so that it could only be opened from the master (if you choose that option)

Once you've created a nested Veg file vegas could start to do a prerender in the background.

Of course this shouldn't be the only way to create a nested Veg file. It makes sense to be able to just drop a veg onto the timeline.

Rob Mack
Liam_Vegas wrote on 11/14/2004, 1:31 PM
For me... <all> I am looking for is to be able to insert an entire Veg into a project as if it were a clip/event.

I would accept some limitations to the complexity of that "nested" Veg (such as maybe number of tracks used etc etc).. although I would hope it would not be necessary to do that.
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/14/2004, 1:46 PM
That's basically what's happening in Acid. You have an Acid project, you drop it on the timeline of ACID 5, it becomes a part of the project. Great way to remix several songs at once.
Steve672 wrote on 11/14/2004, 5:28 PM
Acid 5??

Steve
Steve672 wrote on 11/14/2004, 5:28 PM
ACID 5??

Steve
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/14/2004, 6:23 PM
yes, ACID 5 http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/products/acidfamily.asp It's out, been out for nearly 3 weeks now.
InterceptPoint wrote on 11/14/2004, 8:32 PM
Actually the scheme that Avid uses is not bad. The work flow that I followed back when I was into Avid was to generate individal sub-projects that were saved as individual "sequences" within a single project file. These sequences can easily be pasted together in a "total project" sequence that allows a single render of the whole project. No stitching together .avi renders like I do with Vegas.

p@mast3rs wrote on 11/14/2004, 8:36 PM
Premiere Pro does this as well. Its probably the only advantage it has over Vegas. Once we get that, I can finally boot Premiere Pro for good.
Rosebud wrote on 11/15/2004, 5:19 AM
SPOT said: "That's basically what's happening in Acid. You have an Acid project, you drop it on the timeline of ACID 5, it becomes a part of the project. Great way to remix several songs at once. "

I tried but it not seem to work for me (Acid just open the project i drop on time line).
Is it a demo limitation ?
thx
Nat wrote on 11/15/2004, 6:15 AM
I really like the idea of dropping a veg file on the timeline as a sequence. The veg file could also be in the media pool representing a sequence (peharps in a special section, it could be nice to differentiate clips, subclips and sequences).

You could trim that sequence, apply pan crop, effects, and it wouldn't affect the original veg file, you would need to right click the sequence and choose "Open in a new instance of Vegas" or something similar to change the content of the sequence.

Nat
Grazie wrote on 11/15/2004, 6:40 AM
Nat . . oh yes! - Grazie
Rednroll wrote on 11/15/2004, 9:09 AM
That's not really how it works in Acid. They are really not nested timelines, they're just a folder track, where you can group a bunch of tracks together, and combine them into a folder track. The folder track, then can be colapsed so that it now only occupies 1 track, or expand it so that it shows all the individual tracks again. You can't import seperate .ACD projects into a master Acid project. The closest you can come is opening multiple instances of Acid up and copying and pasting folder tracks from project to a master project. But then these have to abide by Acid's editing paradigm where individual media has to be on it's own track. So there is no way to have a single folder track and assemble a complete project together with nested media.
rmack350 wrote on 11/15/2004, 9:37 PM
Exactly!

And it seems to me that Vegas could prerender that sequence in the background. Used wisely, it would be a way to roll up and lock down parts of a project and have them prerender automatically.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 11/15/2004, 9:40 PM
Folder tracks are a different matter, for sure. And they'd be worthwhile. But I'd like to be able to drop a veg file or an acd file onto the timeline and have it treated as an event. For the ACD file I'd need to own Acid as well, of course.

Rob Mack
Rednroll wrote on 11/16/2004, 6:59 AM
I'm glad to hear that I understood the concept of nested timelines. This is how I imagined it working. I have not used it in any video editing apps before, but have used a similar feature in my midi sequencer, where I would create seperate multitrack sequences like Intro, Verse, Chorus, Outro...etc. Then I would do a step record function on a single track , where each part would appear as a single event. Then you could double click on that event and it would bring up the seperated multiple tracks where you could do further editing.

I got to beta test Acid Pro 5, and this was the first thing I tried to do by saving seperate Acid projects and using the folder tracks option and trying to import seperate Acid projects onto a single track. I had some further discussions on the folder tracks feature with other beta testers, and they informed me the way it functions in Acid is what users where expecting. So yes nested timelines and folder tracks are really two different animals and therefore, I have to say "No nested timelines are not here".