Sony HDV demo movie- check it out

SonyEPM wrote on 9/10/2004, 9:02 AM
Hi all-

I recently shot a little demo piece using a prototype of the just announced Sony HDV cameras. This footage is being used as part of our presentation at IBC in Amsterdam but I thought some of you might want to check it out too.

Camera: I can't respond in any sort of depth about the camera details other than to say it really rocks- excellent quality all around, very much in the PD-170 class of fit and finish, image quality and ergonomics. There will be tons of official info released in the next couple of months so I won't go into this any further here.

What I shot: Using a Sony HDV PAL prototype (very low #), I shot flowers and various nature scenes here in Madsion on a bright summer day. All shots are statics (I had only a cheap tripod available at that time so I didn't do any slick crane shots or anything). All footage shot in 1080i PAL, factory settings, no add-on filters. Manual exposure, manual focus at all times. I tried to show off color, contrast, DOF and detail etc.

How I edited: I used an (unreleased*) capture app to pull the footage off the camera. Footage was loaded on the Vegas timeline (shipping version, Vegas 5.0b), project settings 1440x1080, upper field first, PAR 1.333, 25fps, audio 16/48. A few dissolves, an ACID-created music bed, and Vegas' text generator were used. No color correction was used- footage is straight off the camera.

* Capture- right now this camera isn't shipping and even if you got your hands on one, Vegas 5.0b cannot capture HDV natively. This will of course be addressed in a future version of Vegas, details TBA. Cineform will also be updating their capture applet to work with Sony HDV in the future, some other capture alternatives may also possibly surface soon.

Delivery: It'll be awhile before everybody has an HDTV set and it'll also take awhile for disc-based HD players to proliferate but probably everybody reading this has a high rez display sitting a foot from their face right now- your computer screen. HDV is great for computer delivery! So I rendered the project in Vegas 5.0b to Windows Media using the following settings:

Audio: CBR, WMA9, 192/48
Video: CBR, WMV9, 1280x720, 25fps, 5 kfps, smoothness=90, 5Mbs

On my barebones 2.4 Dell this project took ~7 minutes to render (crossfades, title overlay throughout, mask on the very last shot under the title, "best" quality).

How you should play it: Download the file to your computer. Open in Windows Media Player. When the video starts, hit alt-enter and WMP should go to full screen.

This file plays back fine on Sony laptops so it should playback fine on any decent desktop. If you can't play it back in WMP without hiccups, surf on over to Microsoft - there's quite a bit of info on how to test and tweak your system for HD playback.

File location:

The URL: ftp://md-ftp.sonypictures.com

Username/Password (case-sensitive):
dude
Sweetn3ss

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We can't answer a mountain of further questions about all this right now (and sorry, I can't provide native HDV footage from the Sony cameras) but we look forward to reading your reponses. Have fun-

-Sony Vegas engineering team




Comments

Chienworks wrote on 9/10/2004, 9:25 AM
Very impressive! The images were as clear as most 2 or 3MP camera images i've seen.
rique wrote on 9/10/2004, 9:32 AM
Wow!
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/10/2004, 9:41 AM
Thanks, Dr. D
JJKizak wrote on 9/10/2004, 10:09 AM
I sure do read a lot of implications regarding capture, etc. WOW.

JJK
Tom Pauncz wrote on 9/10/2004, 10:26 AM
Hmm .. Can't login. Has access been removed?
Cheers,
Tom
brightmonkey wrote on 9/10/2004, 10:32 AM
A word of caution:
Don't try to view this in anything but the latest Windows Media Player. I tried viewing it in an older version (8?) of media player on an XP system, and it crashed the media player, taking all my desktop settings with it. I had to reboot and fix everything up again from scratch.
Mario
MozartMan wrote on 9/10/2004, 10:42 AM
pauncz,

Use Internet Explorer, don't use Netscape.
Nat wrote on 9/10/2004, 11:05 AM
It might be interesting to have a short sample in it's native resolution, is that possible using windows media ?
Orcatek wrote on 9/10/2004, 11:36 AM
Via IE 6
mbelli wrote on 9/10/2004, 11:57 AM

Thank you very much for the video clip.

I wish Sony and other companies would do this kind of stuff more often.

Why can't a camcorder product page, house 4-5 sample video clips? Especially these days when we can shoot 24p, 24i, 30p and of course all the high def formats ( short sample of each would be great and it would sell a lot of cameras.

MB

jetdv wrote on 9/10/2004, 12:09 PM
Don't try to view this in anything but the latest Windows Media Player. I tried viewing it in an older version (8?) of media player on an XP system, and it crashed the media player, taking all my desktop settings with it. I had to reboot and fix everything up again from scratch.

It played in version 6.4 here.
DavidMcKnight wrote on 9/10/2004, 12:20 PM
I also cannot login - is access to the file still OK ?

Nat wrote on 9/10/2004, 12:33 PM
jet : you probably have the windows media 9 codec pack.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 9/10/2004, 12:43 PM
Hi kabanero,
I am using IE6. Tried it from two different systems too. No go.
Cheers,
Tom
Tom Pauncz wrote on 9/10/2004, 1:09 PM
Got it. Seems it was my firewall stopping some inbound traffic.
Looks stunning!
Tom
farss wrote on 9/10/2004, 3:26 PM
Looks awesome. Not only does this show the capability of the camera but also just how capable WMV 9 is. OK, now fast motion but for 5 Mbps it looks pretty stunning!

Bob.
apit34356 wrote on 9/10/2004, 6:45 PM
I'll take two! well, maybe two pictures of one.
stieg wrote on 9/10/2004, 7:21 PM
nice, can you post one using quicktime, want to see difference.

Best
jazzvalve wrote on 9/10/2004, 7:47 PM
i cant get to the site. just a no-permissions page. anywhere else to get this?
farss wrote on 9/10/2004, 7:50 PM
Nope,
I've already tried converting from WMV 9 to Quicktime. QT file got much bigger using mpeg-4 codec but I'm no whiz on QT but at least my Macolite mates will be able to watch it.
Next step is to down res and encode to mpeg-2 and bung it on a 16:9 DVD, that's our target workflow.

Bob.
dreamlx wrote on 9/11/2004, 12:48 AM
Well, I wanted to stay with my VX2000 for some more time, but this wmv file changed my mind. I thought that there would be a big difference, but never thought that it would be such a big one.
farss wrote on 9/11/2004, 1:04 AM
Well I just ran a few more test, down converted it to PAL 16:9 DV and PTT. Despite it being through an intermediate stage (WMV 9) it's still damn fine looking footage, cannot see any artifacts in it.
Acid test will come on Monday when we play it back on our studio monitor.
I'll also encode to mpeg-2 and burn to DVD to see how that holds up.

Now before I get too excited I'd really need to see something shot that has lots of motion but so far:
a) The Sony effort and the JVC one are worlds apart.
b) Even IF (looking like a very small if) the camera is a dud, I'm very impressed with WMV. I already was but this demo really seals it for me.
All this technology is becoming too much, I was able to download the original file several times faster than real time, I ended up with a video of better res than my TV can display, I could covert to SD at about 3x RT using Vegas.... What more could you ask for?



Bob.
VMP wrote on 9/11/2004, 8:12 AM
What will the minimum PC system requirements be, if I would want to edit the the videos captured from Sony HDV camcorder?
I mean with Vegas 5 and Pentium based PC.

I guess it is the " HD 1080-60i (1920x1080; 29,970 fps)" preset on Vegas 5?
Thanks,

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sony-Announces-High-Definition1080i-HDR-FX1-First-3-CCD-HDV-Camcorder.htm
usman152008 wrote on 9/11/2004, 10:23 AM
it logged me in first time fine, but because my default player was damn Real Player, it didnt play on that. (File couldnt be found). So i decided to do what the sony guy had said, to play it on Media Player, but i cant log in now. Why?