Another clip I did- this time not so somber....

GmElliott wrote on 7/22/2004, 6:30 PM
Well I'm finishing up the project for my work and just completed the highlight vignette. If anyone hasn't seen my other post (http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=299943&Replies=0&Page=0) This was the opening vignette I began the program with. People felt it was a bit to somber for a "celebration". Well it's really an awards ceremony- but, regardless, with the highlight vignette I decided to shift gears and do something completly different.

This clip is in stark contrast to the other clip. It was very experimental for me as I've never really tried editing this way. I feel stuck in a rutt with all the slow-motion dramatic footage I do with my wedding videography. I wanted to also show range in my editing- as there might possible clients that will view this video at my work- we have over 1,000 employees. Another thing I was trying to do was make the day look exciting and fun...which, frankly, it wasn't- it was a bit flat. I guess as exciting as any awards ceremony at your work can be. I tried my best to try and convey excitement and fun in an otherwise stale event. lol Anyway I tried my best to make something of it....

Here it is- comments welcome:

http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/HSA_HIGHLIGHT_VIGNETTE1.wmv





Comments

Grazie wrote on 7/22/2004, 10:15 PM
GEM! I wanna work for you!

This IS the type of content I film and the work I do for clients .. .

Your comment of , "Another thing I was trying to do was make the day look exciting and fun...which, frankly, it wasn't- it was a bit flat" . . is a very interesting and very observant. Oh yes, I've had this one too. Do I make something that wasn't? Do I portray that which wasn't there? Do I edit for the highlights of something? Should I feel guilty about what I'm doing? Is it fair on the day? Is it a fair and honest reflection? Is film about reality? Do people "see" in chroma key? White outs? Dissolves? .. Well of course not! I guess if we were doing a report on some News Breaking event in the World, then YES .. tell it as it is .. Otherwise we are in the business of interpretation and making THAT which happened BETTER! . .Will your clients be happy with your artistic licence? Er .. yeah? . .. I know you haven't directly "asked" the question .. but I felt it was inherent and posited in your comment .. again I like your approach AND your honesty .. Bottom line here is that an awards . .ALL awards ceremony are gonna be very boring for the onlooker ..

The humour in your piece was GREAT! I love your attention to the links between audio and the visuals . . LOVED IT! .. . Hey would I want to work for this organisation after seeing this? YOU Betcha! .. I suppose it doesn't get any better than that ...

Regards .. I'll leave some Sony Server space here for others to feedback . .I would go on . . but I wont!

Grazie
Diego22 wrote on 7/23/2004, 3:46 AM
I greatly enjoyed. In fact, I saved a link for further study of your use of timing, fades in/out, compositions, etc -Thanks for sharing -Diego
Diego22 wrote on 7/23/2004, 3:58 AM
BTW, the music made me want to tap my foot. Did you know the artist? was it "buy-out"? -Diego
Jay Gladwell wrote on 7/23/2004, 5:39 AM
Another beautifully shot/edited clip--it works! Well done!

Jay
GmElliott wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:03 AM
Black Eyed Peas- "Let's Get it Started (Radio Edit) The original is called "Let's get Retarded"...I kid you not. At first I thought it was a parody of this song but it truly is the "original" version.

Not only is the "Let's Get it STARTED" version policically correct it actually sounds better.
GmElliott wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:21 AM
Yes I feel interpretation is a big part of art in any respect- as much for painting as it is in editing. This peice actually IS a highlight montage of the day that proceeds the main program. I figured it might draw interest from people at my work that weren't present or affiliated with this Ceremony. After all the only ones who would really want to watch the program from beginning to end are the honorees and possibly some of the attendees. Having catchy opening and highlight vignettes sort stretches it's range in regards to audience. I can show people that wouldn't even normally be interested whatsoever. I feel it adds a broader appeal.

Thank you for the kind words regarding timing etc. I think I've heard somewhere that editing "TO" the music (to exact beats, etc) is bad editing and is only an "effect" that deters from content. Because I'm my own worst critic I never feel satisfied with my finished work....it's something I've been plagued with since my illustration days. I can keep going back and tweaking and tweaking and tweaking.... It's endless. I have to exercise control and simply cut myself off on many works just because it starts to exceed the time that is even worth putting into a particular peice. Most of my time isn't assembling footage, it's going back and making changes. I often change something...only to change it back, then look at it a couple hundred more times and change it again.
Whenever I begin a vignette or montage I never have a particular direction....I guess you can say the timeline is my blank canvas and my clips are my paints. I start by breaking the clips down finding shots I like and testing how they work together on the timeline with a music bed. In other words I wing it- I make it up as I go along. Thus I would never be a good candidate for storyboarding...the the complete opposite of my style I suppose.
Grazie wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:33 AM
" I can keep going back and tweaking and tweaking and tweaking.... It's endless." . . . You R in good company >>> "Sometimes you just gotta walk away from a project!" - Frank Zappa ... .

Grazie
MarcS wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:42 AM
GEM:

I really enjoyed this clip - the editing was skillful, rhtythmic and inventive. I like your technique in taking a short clip and quickly cutting to various rotated pan/crops with B/W effects to add the illusion of many different camera angles and takes. It adds lots of interest to o/w routine headshots. Also your transitions were hip and not distracting.

Keep up the good work. I'm going to flatter you by trying to emulate some of your techniques in my own home Vegas projects. Thanks,

MarcS, MD
MarcS wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:48 AM
GEM:
Question: What method do you find easiest to create the very quick, on the beat, sequences of images? Do you just expand the timeline and lay each short duration image in by hand and add quick fade ins/outs?

I imagine that you could take a short clip, split in into one beat segments, and then pan/crop each segment to different views with short fades...

Thanks,
MarcS, MD
www.clayeyecenter.com
GmElliott wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:54 AM
See what you did Grazie- now he's calling me "GEM" too...lol

Anyway thank you Marc- I appreciated the feedback. Yes that pan crop effect to the beat was something I experimented with for the first time. I needed a way to keep up with the beat and didn't have enough exciting shots. The inclusion of the black and white was a last minute decision. I wanted to further differenciate the pan/crop shots all the while sticking with the b&w/color theme I instilled on the opening shot.

Feel free to emulate some of the techniques- that's what we are here for - to help learn from one another. I, like Diego, have saved clips I liked and studied the timing and pacing...sometimes going as far as viewing them on the Vegas timeline to control the speed etc. Thanks again for the compliments.
GmElliott wrote on 7/23/2004, 6:58 AM
If I'm going to be doing a lot of timing editing I first lay down the music track and expand it to get a good look at the waveform. I then go over it about 10+ times and listen to it with my finger on the M key to make markers to the beat. Sometimes it's better NOT to look at the waveform as your reflexes sometimes aren't fast enough to do it visually. I'll often times close my eyes and just listen to the song tapping the M key along to the beat.

After I'm done I have the foundation by which I do all my timing in my edits.
MarcS wrote on 7/23/2004, 7:06 AM
Thanks for the information. I didn't mean to give you a moniker (GEM) that is wrong. Grazie (GRZ) did that first.

MJS, MarcS
RalphM wrote on 7/23/2004, 8:44 AM
I thought it was very well done. Having sat through many similar award ceremonies, I thought you made it into a presentation that will hold interest.

Like many others, posting, I'll mark this as an example to be emulated.

One minor issue I did have was that the award category was a little too small for me to read quickly. However, it may be OK on a TV (and for someone who does not have 60+ yr old eyes ;-))
GmElliott wrote on 7/23/2004, 9:49 AM
Yes- I can see how that can be an issue, especially with a lower res compressed version. It's actually pretty easy to read on a TV, though a little fast. I originally had the text animated but scratched that idea beings the pace was so fast it would have made the titles even harder to read. Thanks for the input.
neb wrote on 7/23/2004, 9:50 AM
well done!
both your pieces have gone in my reference folder.
thanks for sharing!
ben
PierreB wrote on 7/23/2004, 12:10 PM
Wow, very nice. So seamless I couldn't perceive the effects.

Funny, I thought that the original setting comes through (ie, the possibly "flat" cafeteria & ceremonies). This honesty is a good thing. But your editing made the people fun and sympathetic. A case of the editing whole being greater than the parts.

Congrats.

Pierre

PS Just watched it again, without the audio (much easier to see the editing work)... how did you do the "flash white" transitions, if you'll share?
GmElliott wrote on 7/23/2004, 12:21 PM
Thank you. The flash transitions are just that..a "flash transition"- look at your transition list, there is a folder called "Flash".