Update on the Vegas 5 Keyboard Volume Controls

musman wrote on 7/21/2004, 12:01 AM
I've posted a few times about the keyboard audio controls in Vegas 5 working differently than Vegas 4 and some people asked (I think) for an update when I heard back from Sony Tech support. This is to do with how in Vegas 4 the keyboard audio controls (the vol up/down and mute buttons) affect only the outgoing audio to speakers, where as Vegas 5 made these controls affect track properties.
The official word from Sony is that there is no way around this currently and that things are not working as intended. Even if you disable theses controls from their default in Vegas 5, they will not go back to working like they do in Vegas 4. They just won't do anything at all. Sony thanked me for bringing this to their attention and said that they hoped that it would be resolved in a future update for Vegas 5.
I certainly appreciate their help in looking into this and hope they do resolve this in the futrue, but I don't understand how I'm the first one to complain about this. For good audio editing, checking for glitches, noise reduction, etc, I find this tool indespensible. How do you people get around this in audio editing without going deaf, blowing your speakers, or disturbing your neighbors/ coworkers?

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LightMfg wrote on 7/21/2004, 1:05 AM
I use a mixer
farss wrote on 7/21/2004, 1:05 AM
I've said this before, I use headphones.
Not for judging a mix but for hearing the nasties they are the ONLY thing to use. Maybe really good studio monitors would do as good a job but I don't have the space or the budget for a set of Genelecs.

The only problem I find with cans, I'm usually chasing problems you just cannot hear through the average TVs speakers.

If you really need a way to turn the volume down quickly, the Knob thingy (plugs into a USB port, darling of the Mac set) would seem to fill the bill and it looks WAY cool.
Grazie wrote on 7/21/2004, 1:24 AM
Headphones. With hands cupped over them and with head bowed, totally immeresed in the audio, almost in some "praying" posture . . very concentrated . . very heavy brow .. . G
farss wrote on 7/21/2004, 1:36 AM
I tried doing that but the wife wanted to know why I was kowtowing to the computer when I wouldn't accord her the same honour :-)


Grazie wrote on 7/21/2004, 2:19 AM
lol!
Spot|DSE wrote on 7/21/2004, 6:23 AM
Mixers on most systems, Griffin knobs on others. In truth, even though every keyboard on every system we have has a multimedia keyboard, I don't use any features on them except the Disc Eject, and that's cuz I'm too lazy to bend over and press it on the computer, and too slow to eject it from the Explorer.
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 7/21/2004, 6:53 AM
I've only got mid-quality consumer grade equipment($100 5.1 speaker set) but it has a big knob for volume as part of the speaker hardware. Works great for dealing with the fact that every program seems to play things at different volumes(ie, Vegas, DVD-A, Windows Media Player, DVD MAx, etc). Unless you guys are talking about something more technical that simple output volume?

-Jayson
musman wrote on 7/21/2004, 12:32 PM
Nope, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The problem is all these other solutions cost money and I'd been doing fine without them for a while. Oh well, no body's perfect. I still have faith in the Sonic Foundry people.
PossibilityX wrote on 7/21/2004, 1:08 PM
Musman, I wondered about this volume control problem on another forum but got no answer. Glad to know it's a bug in V5 itself and not something I did to screw things up.

I'm like you, I prefer the keyboard volume knob control but I have to admit I like the idea of the headphone workaround. And, hell, I guess I could reach over and turn the volume knob on the speaker. But it's an extra 12-18 inches and I'm afraid the strain would be too much for me. <g>

I quickly weaned myself from the volume control knob because I kept changing the track volume and had to readjust it all the time.
jetdv wrote on 7/21/2004, 1:24 PM
This is a reply I got when I asked this question:

"Vegas has mappings for many multimedia keyboards. The Volume Up/Down keys run the top fader (volume / level) on the focus track. Shift+Vol up/down run the second fader (pan / fade). It's a feature. Likewise, Mute, Play/Pause, and Stop work. See the "Keyboard Shortcuts" topic in Help.

Can't you just go to the keyboard tab in the preferences and remove the "Volume Up", "Volume Down", and "Volume Mute" options from the keyboard remapping under the "TrackVeiw" context?
farss wrote on 7/21/2004, 3:35 PM
I'd suggested that solution to him a week ago, no indication he'd tried it and found it didn't work.
There's also the option of using headphones, well OK they do cost money but for what he's doing and I'm assuming he hasn't the money to spend on expensive studio monitors, even a $50 set would be a vast improvement.

Bob.
musman wrote on 7/21/2004, 7:21 PM
I'm sorry, guess I didn't make myself clear here or my reply got burried so fast by other subjects that you could have missed it. I did reply about it a week or so ago, but something could have happened to it. But I did try your suggestion, farss, and thank you very much. The problem is even if you delete these functions Vegas does not default to these keys controling only the output to your speakers. These keys just end up doing nothing at all and this is what, I believe, Vegas will try to correct in an update.
You probably also missed my thanks and an update on the clipped peak clip that you worked on for me as it was in a different subject. Thanks for that as well. I did a little more work on it for your formula and things are nearly perfect now. I'm shocked, but in a very pleasent way.
About using headphones for audio editing, I could have sworn I was told not to do that. But I may give it a try now. Any suggestions?
Thanks again to evreyone here for your help!