plugin reverbs are pretty much pathetic, except for SF's Accoustic Mirror, and SIR http://home.t-online.de/home/520073787260-0001/index_plug.html

but these two MUNCH CPU power

TC works Native reverb is the best plugin I've heard and also the Timeworks plugins are good. Waves is my third choice overall. I only use them when my hardware is occupied by other tracks, and there's tracks that need a seperated reverb.

My personal feeling about recommending the TC Works reverb is that it is designed by TC Electronics. They've been developing hardware reverb devices for a long time, with that comes background knowledge of how to make a good sound with experience.

i second tc works and timeworks. i have waves as well but find myself using the tc works the most...

Waves Rverb is OK, and it's moderately kind to the CPU. Best result if you want hiqual is to insert multiple instances of them, but I'm positive there are better verbs out there. TC Native would be my best bet.

I, too, thought that TC works and TC electronics were the same company, but I cant find a link on either website about the other, and some of the TC works guys in #musicdsp on effnet ( who knows how reliable IRC is? ) said there is no connection. Does anyone know for sure?

As a TCM5k owner, I can tell you there is no resemblance whatsoever between the code that created the M5k's verbs and the code running TC native. They are worlds apart sonically, philosophically and in the degrees of control. I have luck with the timeworks 4080l reverb for quick and dirty work, but not the timeworks reverb-x which is supposed to be better. All the native reverbs seem to be able to make " plate"-ish sounds ( actually more like a bunch of combfiltered short delays with choruses on them) but not very convincing LUSH, Dense, " sparkly" reverbs like even the cheapest digital hardware unit can, in my opinion

TC native verb is good...but another good package with a good verb are the ULTRAFUNK plug-ins.
Great deal too, look into them.

I don't use the waves verb, but most other in in waves gold are top notch.

JoeD

Off topic-

TC works (software) + TC Electronics (hardware) now merged into TC Electronics - see web page

And unfortunately they no longer develop Direct X plug-ins, only VST and TDM.

Ben

"TC works (software) + TC Electronics (hardware) now merged into TC Electronics"

That was my understanding, when I was last at AES in Los Angeles, TC Electronics and TC Works, had a display together, so I drew the conclusion they where the same company.

Back on topic (kind of)
Here's a reverb plugin that works pretty well and the price is right (free).
http://www.rgcaudio.com/Plugins.htm

Don't know how it stacks up to the high end plugins named in this thread, I'd like to hear from you though . . . .

I'm no 'verb expert, but I am satisfied with Ultrafunk. VERY lean on the CPU and it sounds good by my ears.

I LOVE ultrafunk's gate to pieces, expecially now that the lookahead feature works so good. A lot of drums that wouldve had to be triggered seem to be saved by that gate

For free you can also try (I use it all the time):
"Anwida Reverb Light"
You find it at:
http://www.anwida.com/

Good luck
JTelles

"Here's a reverb plugin that works pretty well and the price is right (free).
http://www.rgcaudio.com/Plugins.htm" - -

I personally find the free RGC reverb plug to be very cpu intensive. I reserve it for non-real time processing. Larry O

I'm certainly no expert on this topic, to say the least, but what I might be able to provide is a somewhat innocent, if not stupid, perspective on the matter, knowing full well that there are audio engineers as well as total beginners viewing the posts. Since I am only working with 'finished' sources to begin with, I don't think I've ever even used reverb on more than a handful of songs. I might be more inclined to use it if any of the "paradigms/GUI's" made more sense to me. I have yet to get anything even remotely understandable from Acoustic Mirror; which is not to say it's not a great program; it's just saying I haven't a clue how to make it work. Apparently it doesn't do too well as far as real time processing goes either, so how someone can process something they can't listen to directly is a little beyond me, especially when other programs let you hear the effects immediately. I also own Waves TrueVerb, and gosh darn it, it sure LOOKS impressive, but that's another one of those deals where if maybe I had a couple of years to master the program, I'd be glad to give it a shot. Again; my limitation; not a knock on the program; just the fact that it's a total mystery to me, and with other programs available that are more intuitive to my way of thinking and working, I've just passed on that one as well. I have Anwida and RGC as well. The Anwida is pretty cool and simple to understand, at least. I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how functional it is; or how it compares to the other reverbs mentioned above. I just know at least I can figure it out. The same, and maybe a little more, goes for RGC. I'm not exactly sure what it is about the interface that enables me to at least THINK I can hear how reverb 'works' or 'develops'. It might be because it allows you to easily - for me, anyway - isolate JUST the reverb effect, along with how changing the room size affects the sound, etc. That's the one program I've used to actually add some reverb to a couple of files, and I have never noticed any lag when using it. I would venture to say it HAS to be less CPU intensive than Acoustic Mirror. I have never gotten anything but stutters out of A.M. And finally, for what it's worth, I just started fiddling around with DSP-FX's verbs. They have two: Acoustic Verb, and Studio Verb, along with 9 other plug-ins that also can be used in a stand-alone, real time processing manner, a la T-Racks 24. (They have a nice Optimizer, Paragraphic EQ, a Stereo Expander, and a few others as well). The whole package goes for $149. So far, I've found almost all of their plug-ins to be very easy to use, and I've been very satisfied with the results. I think they offer some of the most functional, useable presets around. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to interact all that well with SoFo 6.0, so I've been using it in standalone mode, which takes a lot longer, since it's processing in real time. But I have been very satisfied with the results using the Paragraphic EQ and the Delay so far. And on one or two occasions, since I couldn't use it within SoFo to work on just a section of a file, I've cut and pasted back and forth, and that's worked fine, with no glitches or artifacts. What's nice is that, unlike with T-Racks, there is no change - even minute - in the time/size of the file whatsoever, so I can copy and paste into an identical length, which I couldn't do with T-Racks, because there was a tiny difference in the length of the file after processing in T-Racks. Anyway, that's just another option to toss into the mix.

sk

I cant think of any plugin reverb that has anything resembling the number or type of paramaters common to hardware reverbs. Theres a LOT of " BuckRodgerization" making pretty interfaces, but beneath it, ugh. Give me regular everyday parameters, even an LCD screen ANYday

I just wanted to mention that I'm very happy with the Timeworks 4080L reverb. It's not the fanciest reverb on the planet, but it's reasonably priced, not too CPU intensive and sounds good for most purposes.

My favourites are probably TC Native Reverb, for the most part, and Waves Renaissance Verb I find is awesome on Snare drums ;o)

Jason

thank you all for your great help!
sorry to ask such a worn out question,
but i was so tired of looking, looking.
don't know how to search yet...will work on that.
:)

Pete

just stay away from the sonic foundry reverb ;)

(not AM, I mean the reverb)